Tuesday, December 05, 2006

"I Want An Islam Of France..."

Nicolas Sarkozy made an important television appearance a few days ago on A Vous de Juger (you be the judge) where he was interviewed by Olivier Duhamel on many topics, including Islam. His remarks have aroused websites such as France-Echos and Occidentalis to see both the dangerous side and the humorous side of the man who will probably be president of France in 5 months. The show has been termed a "success" due to his skill in answering questions, his general appearance and to his approval rating from the public. What exactly did he say?

I can only provide a sketch from the report in Occidentalis:

A good presentation - strategically and visually speaking - by Nicolas Sarkozy...A public hand-picked and courteous. One could feel little Nicolas was truly happy at the end. Everything was controlled and the candidate was already Official.

Oh dear, Nicolas could not stop himself from slipping and admitting the awful truth...

Not content with confusing racism and Islamophobia (which we would have to interpret as a justified fear of Islam, so it's not really a phobia), little Nicolas again repeated in public the admission that no one takes notice of...a little like the thief who tirelessly admits his crime to a policeman who does not believe him and who asks no questions...

Sarkozy refuses Islam IN France but claims to endorse an Islam OF France...

At this point in the article Occidentalis accuses Sarkozy of Islamophobia, the accusation Sarko himself has used many times to those critical of Islam. Their reasoning is that if Sarko has to refashion Islam so that it can become French, then he is admitting that something must be wrong with Islam in its original state:

Why should Nicolas Sarkozy refuse Islam and need to invent a local gimmick, a label with "of" in it? What does the word "of" do to automatically make Islam acceptable?

And then the second admission made in response to Olivier Duhamel who asked if Islam and laïcité are compatible...

Little Nicolas answered "yes", and could have stopped there...but since it happens that he tells the truth in spite of himself, he added:

"Mr. Duhamel, if I were to say "no", do you really think that we could kick out the 4-5 million people of Muslim culture?"

So not only is Sarkozy profoundly Islamophobic, since he refuses Islam as it really is, but in his heart, he feels that those who are part of it will create problems of integration into a "laïc" society (where Church and State are separated).

Did candidate Sarkozy draw the conclusions that inevitably result from this situation?

No. He did the exact opposite. He bets on the future, on things turning out OK, because things MUST turn out OK...and because "we" need to believe in it...despite everything...ignoring reality...

One Occidentalis reader separated Sarko's good points from his bad:

The position of Sarkozy on Islam is still ambiguous. One the one hand he scores points for his views:
- put a stop to foreign financing of Islam
- imams must speak French...
- absolute respect for the laws of the country

On the other hand his condemnation of Islamophobia as being comparable to anti-Semitism is very troubling. The ability to criticize Islam without concessions is an absolute necessity for the survival of the West. Likewise the right of foreigners outside of the EU to vote in elections is suicidal. What will Sarkozy do when the mayor of Trappes or Roubaix is Muslim...? We must remember and denounce these two points that endanger France.

Another reader adds:

Nicolas Sarkozy, who has an answer to everything, was unwilling to answer Olivier Duhamel's question on the compatibility of Islam and laïcité precisely because, like everyone else, he knows the answer and there is no ambiguity. The answer is NO! And when he asks: "and if I say no, do you think that I can just kick out the 4-5 million people of Muslim culture?", I would like to answer with another question: "and when, thanks to your Islam OF France, you will have helped accelerate the process of implanting Islam IN France, and they are no longer 5 million but 35 million, what will you propose then?

However another reader feels differently:

I liked his presentation...I believe this is a sincere man, a man of convictions...Do we have any choice but to vote for him? I don't think we do. The silence of Philippe de Villiers has disappointed me, and his lack of punch. As for Jean-Marie Le Pen, I stopped hoping a long time ago. And five years with the laxity of the Left, no thanks!

Marianne of Occidentalis intervenes and addresses those who might vote for Sarkozy:

Don't forget that Sarkozy was a lawyer and he knows very well how to express himself and how to handle the media and the theatrics that go along with it. If you want to know how he thinks you must focus on his actions...The technique of the former lawyer has been the same since he entered government: he utters unimpeachable truths (that he knows well since he has all the evidence in his hands) that the French people see in their daily lives. But more or less discretely he acts KNOWINGLY in contradiction with what he says in order to immobilize the blocked system in which our country finds itself. Thus he can climb to the controls of government. France and her people are of no importance to him, what IS important is to get power at any price!

Finally here is a video with a brief but pertinent excerpt of his speech:

Here is the translation:

France is multiple. France is diverse. Whether one likes it or not. The second religion of France is Islam. I want an Islam of France, I don't want an Islam in France. I demand therefore a Frenchification of Islam to make it compatible with the laws of the Republic."

The last sentence is repeated 3 times and then the video displays these words:

"Islam must be made compatible with France," Nicolas Sarkozy tells us.

For Islam is by nature incompatible with Western culture, its values and our life style.

A hateful warrior totalitarian religion, it does not have its place in France. Fight!

One last note: The creation of the word "Islamophobia" is unfortunate. The fear of Islam is justified, it is not a phobia curable through psychoanalysis. The equating of Islamophobia with anti-Semitism is the trick of a multiculturalist to make people feel guilty for being a "racist". The two words should be clarified and totally separated.

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At December 05, 2006 6:43 PM, Anonymous W.LindsayWheeler said...

Socialist ideology is about building a One World. They teach, much like Masonry, the Universal Brotherhood of Man. Well, to have a "Universal Brotherhood of Man" one must teach that Racism is bad.

To Love one's kind, To have loyalty to your tribe and to favor your kin over others is evil.

What do you expect when All of Europe and America are taught this?

The dissolution of nations and races. If racism is evil, so is race. To them race is a non-existent thing. Please read the article at Wikipedia. There is no such thing as race.

Johann Gottfried Herder gave a name,Belonging, to a concept to describe the fundamental human need of "belonging" to a particular ethnic/national/racial group. It is at the core of nationalism or cultural identity. Herder described this as a basic human need, as fundamental as the need for food and shelter.

This is one commitmant of Racism. If we have a sense of belonging, we must also have an opposite sense of "repelling". This is the other side of the coin of Racism.

Destroy Racism and you destroy Nations/Races/Ethnicities.

This is the goal. The French Republic being a Humanist creation teaches this New modality. How can France stand against Islam when Racism is evil and wrong!!!

It can not!! and will not as long as Racsim is viewed as evil.

At December 05, 2006 6:46 PM, Anonymous W.LindsayWheeler said...

Then you wonder why Le Pen can't really stand for France and promotes Muslims!!! If Le Pen said he was a Racist, (i.e. meaning "I am for France for the French) even the French would run him out of town. Political correctness is destroying France.

At December 06, 2006 12:55 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Lindsay -

I left a long comment under the "Hallal-idays" post. You won't agree with it , but anyway, regarding your comment about Le Pen. He spent years as a French "patriot" saying he was for France and he WAS called a racist by the media. He became used to it. As Muslim and black crime increased he GAINED voters, including many Jews who voted for him out of fear of crime. But who cares about the Jewish vote when you can get the Muslim vote? The Jews have been leaving France, there may be half-a-million left. There are millions and millions of Muslims and more coming.

Le Pen is a notorious Jew-hater and America-hater. I was more than willing to overlook all that IF he had proven himself to be a true patriot, but this is not what has happened. He has hooked up with fellow Jew-haters and America-haters. I disagree with your implication that he cannot be a patriot because of political correctness because he has been campaigning on a patriotic platform for years. It's just that now he sees an opportunity to gain votes, to express indirectly his anti-Jewish feelings and to be applauded for being kind to a France's largest "oppressed minority."

At December 06, 2006 10:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think there is no alternative to sarkozy. de villiers has no chance at all. maybe in 5 years, but not now. alliot is from the chirac clan. and de villepin wont run, he is too weak. if he does, he has anyway no chance. le pen is working with dieudonné and, i agree, his anti-americanism and his anti-semitism are more important to him. so who is left? the guys on the left. like hezbollah friend segonele royal. strauss kahn and Fabius have anyway no chance.

so please france, dont give us royal.

At December 06, 2006 12:00 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ anonymous

I'm glad you mentioned Royal's visit to Hezbollah. I hope to do an article on that soon.

At December 06, 2006 6:52 PM, Anonymous W.LindsayWheeler said...

Thanks Tiberge for setting me straight on Le Pen. You wrote: It's just that now he sees an opportunity to gain votes, to express indirectly his anti-Jewish feelings and to be applauded for being kind to a France's largest "oppressed minority." Then, he is a very very disgusting individual. To pander to gain votes like this is disgusting.

I did respond to your post at the Hallel Thread.

At December 07, 2006 4:40 PM, Blogger Pastorius said...

It seems to me that Sarkozy might be smart enough to know that a call for an Islam of France is going to be met with anger from the Muslim community. And, he must know that that anger will further help clarify the threat emanating from Islam.

At December 07, 2006 5:08 PM, Anonymous W.LindsayWheeler said...

I want to continue the discussion from the Hallel Thread.

Tiberge, True, Edith Hamilton does not mention the Jew in her books but what I wanted to point out that Edith Hamilton did point out the difference between Indo-Europeans and people of the East which you do acknowledge in your response. And you have read Deut Chap. 28.

Tiberge, I served as a Shabbas goy. It was one of the best times of my life and a great learning experience.

In Deut. 32.8, it reads "When the Most High divided the nations, when he seperated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God."

This is very important, God seperated the races of Men. When God "seperated" the races of men, what did He do to keep the seperation? God implanted "belonging" in man. There is an old philosophical maxim which states: "No meaning without contrast."

Well, with belonging, God also implanted the opposite; repelling. This is the will of God---no race is to cooperate with another!!! What liberalism, Masonry, Socialism wish to do is to unmake what God has done.

I fight against this.

All virtue, Good, and Truth rests in the Golden Mean. Racism must exist as a Golden Mean. Not the excess of the National Socialists/Fascists or the deficiency of the Communists, Socialists.

The Truth exists in the Golden Mean. I lived in Europe. The Danes don't like the Swedes and the Swedes the Danes. They are both white races and both Christian. This is the way it is to be.

The English hate the French and the Greek hates the Turk. The French hate the Germans and everybody hates the French. This is how God planned it. And just like the French hate the Germans, we are to be anti-semitic as we are anti-German or anti-Italian or anti-Japanese.

America is a country built on Masonic principles, on the principles of Humanism. America has to be rejected since it is a rejection of the Old Order and practices race-mixing to a very large extent.

Sad to say this, but anti-semitism is rather more strong because God has ordained it that way. The Israelites/Jews made a covenant with God to "Hearken to the voice of Lord". But the Jews killed the Voice; i.e. the Logos.

God said, "And it shall come to pass that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you..." v63.

When the Jews killed Jesus, God put them on his "s**t" list. I can't help this. I did not do this but God. If God has used Israelites to destroy pagan idolatries and wiped out whole races of evil men, God has used Christians to be the sword of him to persecute the covenant breaking Jew.

There is more to reality than meets the eye. God does act in History. God does what He wants and will do so. It is sad but this is the way things are.

In Deut. chapter 30, 1st verse, "And it shall come to pass when all these things shall have come upon thee, the blessing and the curse..." The Curse is upon the Jew. God said it will come and it has. I can't stop that nor will I apologize for it. The Curse has got to work itself. I can't nor you can stop it. Scripture, like nature, can not be abrogated.

Anti-semitism is stronger than other anti-ethnicities because a curse has been attached to the people. It is magnified. We are all to have low-level amounts of anti-something. But with anti-semitism it is a little more than usual because of Scripture. It is natural then to see this.

Third reason that the Jews are a little bit dangerous to Western society is because they are natural nihilists. Why do I say that? It was Nietzsche who said "God is Dead" (or that modern society killed him). People who say or believe this are called Nihilist. Well, the Jews actually did kill Jesus. They are nihilists.

Why is the Comedic field full of Jews? Why do they make very funny comedians? because of this deconstructionist feeling within them.

The doctrine of Righteousness says that one's nature fits oneself to one's function. The Jew is highly creative and highly intelligent. But Spiritually he is very destructive. In society, Righteousness would dictate that their sphere of influence be restricted to retail, doctoring, and other non-political influencing spheres. Does not St. Paul say, "Bad company corrupts good morals"? Then, all I say is that restrictions, (the Golden Mean), be applied and used. That is all; like it always been done in traditional Christian Countries.

At December 07, 2006 5:22 PM, Anonymous W.LindsayWheeler said...

Businesses pay Muslim clerics to declare food "Hallel". This is objected to but the businesses paying for "Kosher" are not objected to. Where does this money go that is paid to Jewish rabbi's? They make millions.

How do they spend this money? Do they spend this money in pro-Christian ways or are they using this money to support un-Christian things? The majority of Jews are for abortion. Jews are the major obstacles against the Pro-life movement. Jews make up a majority of the Feminist movement. A majority of Jews make up the homosexual movement. The Jews make up a majority of the Democractic and neo-conservative movement. The Jews fomented the Civil rights movement of the 60's which was communist.

What do they do with millions of dollars of Christian money?

They spend it on their agenda---not ours. There is Dr. Laura and there is Rabbi Lapin, but they are small small minority. The grand majority are busy undermining Christian culture, Christian morality, and Christian society.

They are the bull in the China shop.

This is precisely why the Jews preach anti-racism because if you allow it against one, you must allow it against all and that would include the Jew. If you are against having food having the hallel label, one can not be for the Kosher label.

Multiculturalism is the downfall of the West.

At December 07, 2006 6:32 PM, Blogger Boz said...

Thanks for the translation. On the one hand Sarkozy may be islamophobic, but I think he is at least pragmatic about it. During the immigrant rioting last year, Sarkozy said that, "I challenge the idea that we all start life on the same line. Some people start further back because they have a handicap - color, culture or the district they come from. We have to help them." Affirmative action has been very controversial in the US, but that's not to say that it hasn't helped a lot of people.
French Election 2007

At December 08, 2006 5:34 AM, Anonymous zazie said...

@ w.lindsaywheeler
you are going too far ! You seem to need a scapegoat for all your fears ; can't you understand that when a Jew is "bad", it is only because He is bad, not because he is a Jew ? You make it a matter of race, and you "justify" your attitude by religion ; Have a look at Shakespeare, without dropping the Bible of course ! Shylock expresses my feelings (as a human being, not as a Jew or a Christian!), much better than I do.

At December 08, 2006 11:39 PM, Blogger truepeers said...

Yes, the Jews killed Jesus (with a little help from the Romans), precisely in the sense that Jesus was a Jew who lived with Jews and we are none of us immune from the universal lesson of Christianity - even as we don't all need it - as lindsay wheeler naively demonstrates in performing the mirror image of Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus. If Saul realized that his obsession with scapegoating Jesus could only be redeemed by recognizing Jesus' divinity, Jew-scapegoating Wheeler might one day recognize that not all of us need to be redeemed because we are not all obsessed with scapegoating, having already learned the lesson that begins with Abraham.

That the particular event in one national community can be shown to have universal signifcance is what non-Islamic monotheism, both Jewish and Christian, Judeo-Christian, is all about. But it is Christianity that comes into worldly existence without any sense of a compact uniting church and nation, and this is the source of the anxiety that leads people into wheeler's mental mess. If Jews inadvertantly show him the way - as his own resentment in reaction to the implied lesson suggests - how best to combine a particular national ethic with the search for universal truth, so be it.

A complete Christian is someone who has overcome his resentment of the Jews for going first in teaching this lesson to the world. Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. If you can't stand the pressure of monotheism and the long wait, Lindsay, get out of the kitchen and go back to being a pagan, or at least a liberal.


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