Saturday, June 23, 2007

Darwin Rules

While we're on the topic of Brussels, here are the opening paragraphs of a fascinating and rather terrifying article (about Germany) by Paul Belien in his Brussels Journal:

Last week, a German court sentenced a 55-year old Lutheran pastor to one year in jail for “Volksverhetzung” (incitement of the people) because he compared the killing of the unborn in contemporary Germany to the holocaust. Next week, the Council of Europe is going to vote on a resolution imposing Darwinism as Europe’s official ideology. The European governments are asked to fight the expression of creationist opinions, such as young earth and intelligent design theories. According to the Council of Europe these theories are “undemocratic” and “a threat to human rights.”

Without legalized abortion the number of German children would increase annually by at least 150,000 – which is the number of legal abortions in birth dearth Germany. Pastor Johannes Lerle compared the killing of the unborn to the killing of the Jews in Auschwitz during the Second World War. On 14 June, a court in Erlangen ruled that, in doing so, the pastor had “incited the people” because his statement was a denial of the holocaust of the Jews in Nazi-Germany. Hence, Herr Lerle was sentenced to one year in jail. Earlier, he had already spent eight months in jail for calling abortionists “professional killers” – an allegation which the court ruled to be slanderous because, according to the court, the unborn are not humans. (...)

Here's more:

Indeed, next Tuesday, the Council of Europe (CoE), Europe’s main human-rights body, will vote on a proposal which advocates the fight against creationism, “young earth” and “intelligent design” in its 47 member states.

According to a report of the CoE’s Parliamentary Assembly, creationists are dangerous “religious fundamentalists” who propagate “forms of religious extremism” and “could become a threat to human rights.” The report adds that the acceptance of the science of evolutionism “is crucial to the future of our societies and our democracies.”

“Creationism, born of the denial of the evolution of species through natural selection, was for a long time an almost exclusively American phenomenon,” the report says. (...)

In Germany, believing abortion to be as murderous as the holocaust is a crime, and educating your own children is a crime too. In France, saying that “homosexual behaviour endangers the survival of humanity” is a crime, and so is the distribution of pork soup to the poor. In Belgium, speaking out against immigration is a crime.

Read the whole article here, and note that at the end he mentions Christian Vanneste.

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At June 24, 2007 12:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, back at the ranch …


C'est une photo banale qui a été prise, mardi 19 juin, lors de la visite de François Fillon dans une usine textile de Tourcoing. On y voit le premier ministre en compagnie de la ministre de l'économie, des finances et de l'emploi, Christine Lagarde, et du député du Nord, Christian Vanneste. Publiée mercredi sur le site officiel de Matignon, cette image a été mystérieusement amputée de l'un de ses personnages le lendemain : les internautes ne voient plus M. Vanneste sur le site du premier ministre.


http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0,36-927313,0.html

 
At June 24, 2007 6:06 PM, Anonymous Raymond31 said...

> Without legalized abortion the number of German children would increase annually by at least 150,000

Not at all.
Sounds like many people forgot that abortion WAS illegal and that there WAS abortions anyway.
Just stop abortion now and you'll be back to the past situation when
criminalizing abortion WAS used, and even forcing women to have children (in Romania).
What was the results of those live-experiences ? Many babies ? No, but Death of women (not good for making babies in the future...) by bad abortion methods, abandonned babies (in romania) and, for those born and not abandoned, high level of ones turning to crime, as they was not wanted and not cared by their parents.
Crime level which was expected in the USA by the 90's did NOT happened THANKS to abortion in the mid 70's.
Comparing abortion to holocaust is mainly a non-sense, its plain stupidity, and prison for this is as stupid as banning pork soup.
Our problem in Europe is not abortion, or immigration, or whatever : its OURSELVES, mainly because we are unable to face rality, we take stupid decisions for stupid reasons and stay with stupid situation for even more stupid reasons.
Abortion was one a the few exceptions to the rule as we decided NOT to push women to abandon childrens, NOT to push women to die by abortion accidents or NOT to push women to not care unwanted children.
About to darwin rules, they are based on the same scientific rules that make an image appear on your TV or allow your car to move by itself. TV works, Cars works, DARWIN works. Creationists are just willingly blind to evidences.

 
At June 24, 2007 10:00 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Raymond31

I will just briefly express a few thoughts on this complex issue. I cannot speak definitively on matters where definitive proof is not available.

On abortions in Germany or elsewhere, it is not just a matter of pro-life or pro-choice. It's not either/or. Contraceptives were created and made available to help women avoid abortions and illegitimate births. But there have been many more of each in the past 40 years because of the CONDUCT of women. It is not that I want women to die from a bad abortion. They are not supposed to be getting pregnant outside of marriage. This was not the original purpose of family planning - it was to prevent pregnancy through contraception. There are 2 ways of preventing pregnancy: contraception and also saying "no", even if you have contraception. Sex is not something you take lightly; it is not something you do with anybody. This is especially true of women who are in greater danger from the consequences of promiscuous behavior than men are (except possibly homosexuals). But we know that teen promiscuity, and promiscuity in general are on the rise (sometimes we do read of a decline in teen pregnancy, more from abstinence than from contraception which teens don't like to use). The general loosening of morals has been disastrous for women and for the family. Any honest gynecologist or psychologist will attest to that.

The only purpose of abortion (other than extreme cases of rape, incest and medical emergencies) was to help a girl "get out of trouble." And, of course, as a young woman I thought it was only fair to give her a break if she had an "accident". But things have turned out differently than expected. Abortion is being used as a form of contraception, and does not help a girl get out of trouble, but rather helps her get INTO it, by giving her carte blanche to do whatever she wants, by removing any sense of responsibility towards herself, her family and her community, and perhaps by harming her physically: multiple abortions are NOT good for the health.

So, over and beyond the issue of population growth and decline, there are certainly moral questions regarding the behavior of women. My doctor told me that there are women who are voluntarily promiscuous because they want to be "equal" to men, and they think that's how men behave. They ruin their lives and futures at a very young age.

I would not ban abortion. I would restrict it in the following ways: first, it is not a right, not an entitlement, the woman has to pay for her own abortion; second, it must be done very early in the pregnancy; third, a doctor may refuse to do it if it goes against his or her beliefs; fourth, the woman should keep her mouth shut about it - it's not something you talk about or write books about; fifth, girls should be encouraged to fear the consequences of hasty sex or multiple-partner sex, or whatever peer-pressure behavior is bearing down on them. They should be taught the horrors of late-term abortion. It should be something they dread, not something they are entitled to.

I believe that giving women total freedom to do what they want is to treat them like animals. They have to know their limits. And they have to know that the very thing they want is, in many ways, an illusion. They have to learn that being loose does not endear them to men, and they risk never finding a proper mate. If they refuse marriage then they have to be extremely cautious in their relationships. Being a woman MEANS self-imposed restrictions and sometimes suffering from the absence of a partner - but look at what "sleeping around" gets them!

The same holds true for black women. If your comment about the crime rate being lower was a reference to black abortions that may be true, but as I say, the same moral standards apply to blacks.

Considering the way things have degenerated I would not be surprised if abortion is totally banned one day. Woman have been asking for it.

Your comments on Europe in general are excellent and I agree that the fault is in ourselves, in America too. It's always the fault of human folly and bad ideas.

As for Darwin, I don't have enough knowledge of his writings. I do know that evolution, as an explanation for the EXISTENCE of man, has never been proved. When you say it works, I presume you mean that a created being may have to evolve and adapt in order to survive and that this process is very long. I think that's true, and that there's little doubt. But evolution can only occur if something exists. The source of creation itself has not been demonstrated. Nor has it been proved that a totally new species emerges from an already existing one, as when we say that man emerged from the ape. This is still theory. And, though I cannot elaborate, I believe this theory of evolution is only a small part of Darwin's total body of theories on human development.

 
At June 24, 2007 10:28 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Raymond31

I must add one thing to the comments I made about Darwin. The issue was not the fallacy or truth of Darwinism; the issue was that this largely unprovable and complicated set of theories known as "Darwinism" would become the OFFICIAL ideology of the EU. This is totalitarianism. They cannot dictate which scientific doctrine must dominate. They are not qualified or in any way entitled to do this. There has to be freedom of thought in scientific matters. They are very childishly "getting even" with the Church for having "dominated" Europe for 2000 years, even though it was only thanks to Christianity that there was a secular tradition at all. You won't have your secular tradition when shari'a law prevails.

Regarding the origin of the species man, his evolution and his place on earth, these are eternal issues. the stupid EU cannot solve profound problems when it doesn't even know how to close its borders.

 
At June 25, 2007 12:43 AM, Blogger crusader88 said...

What is this? Kool Aid 2.0? The declining crime rate in the 90s was caused by better law enforcement and expanded gun rights; abortion is always evil, and can never provide a net benefit. As it is murder, any non-savage society should completely illegalize it.
I refuse to be intimidated by women who essentially threaten to kill themselves if abortion is illegal through unsafe, illegal abortions. They are murderers, and will have thus taken their own lives (over 90% of the time to escape the consequences of their promiscuity).
As a male, I can just say that if we could but destroy the heathen, lust-driven culture I fight against each day, these problems would not exist.

And oh yeah, evolution is scientifically untrue. Long live Veritas!!

 

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