Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Mapping It Out

This map will give you a general idea of how the regions voted. Sarkozy's UMP party is in bright aqua; the socialists are pink; the communists red; the "New Center" in darker blue (these are the members of François Bayrou's old UDF party who rallied to Sarkozy); the "MoDem" (Bayrou's new party) in orange; the Green Party in light green.

The three insets at the top are, from right to left, Paris, the ring of suburbs around Paris, the region west and northwest of Paris.

You can see that there are still communist outposts around Paris. The city itself seems rather evenly divided between UMP and the socialists.

The southwest regions of France remain heavily socialist, as they were in the presidential election. These are also regions of low abstentions. The national level of abstention was 40%.

For those interested Le Monde has a map showing the abstentions.

I downloaded the map shown above this morning, but forgot to note the source. I will add the link as soon as I find it.



At June 19, 2007 7:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The southwest regions of France remain heavily socialist, as they were in the presidential election.

This is clear to see from the diagram. But the question is...Why?

At June 19, 2007 11:08 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ anonymous

It's my question too. I don't know. After the presidential election it was suggested that there are fewer immigrants in the southwest. I think the heaviest concentrations of immigrants are in the southeast around Marseilles and Lyons, and in the more northern areas around Paris.

If that's the case, I still don't know why there would be fewer immigrants in the southwest, except that it may not be their entry point into the country.

Just speculating - if anyone knows the answer, please speak up.

At June 19, 2007 10:03 PM, Anonymous dauphin_b612 said...

@ tiberge

I think Bordeaux and other cities have sizeable immigrant populations, so am not sure that is the answer. There was the old rural radicalism of the southwest (like the farm laborite movement perhaps) and I found a site where this is spoken of:


Look at the section 1945-1994.

And of course one could say that people in the southwest are not as smart or as good-looking as those in the southeast (pas vrai, Zazie?). ;))

At June 20, 2007 5:40 AM, Anonymous zazie said...

they may be lesss good-looking (?), surely not less smart, but they are much better singers ! "Les voix basques" are so beautiful, aren't they ?
I keep thinking that local traditions (century old traditions) and the memory of such people as Jaurès act as sorts of "protections" against the invasion, so the electors feel far less threatened. They may also be more interested in their region than in the nation ...

At June 20, 2007 10:52 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ dauphin

I'll check out that link ASAP. Thank you for the explanation.

@ zazie

You're saying that the immigrants are there but the natives don't feel threatened because of a strong and ancient culture. That would imply that the immigrants are controlled, held back from committing crimes and degradations because they fear the natives more than the natives fear them.

Maybe it's a little bit like the old Italian neighborhoods of our big cities that resisted being taken over by minorities, while other neighborhoods went down the drain fast.

Eventually they too went down. But it took longer.

And our old Italian neighborhoods had great singers too - maybe that's the secret...

At June 20, 2007 11:49 AM, Anonymous dauphin_b612 said...

@ tiberge

Sure, you're welcome.

@ zazie

Yes, the voix basques are beautiful, and the voix corses too for that matter. It's true they might be more interested in their region like the Corses. I was of course kidding about the smartness and the looks, but only somewhat. ;)

Hmm, as to the insularity as a protection against immigrants, you know there are plenty of insular places in Provence and other areas as well. Even license plates with 75 (Paris, at least until 2008 when department numbers will be gone) can get you a rough reception à la "Jean de Florettes". There are also probably a higher percentage of Italian immigrants in the southeast, but the point about Italian neighborhoods in and around NYC and other cities is well-taken.

At June 20, 2007 1:35 PM, Anonymous zazie said...

Honestly, I think that the century-old leftwing tradition explains the pink wave in the South West ; Toulouse, for instance, is terribly "multi" and invaded by "wall-artists" (sic) and women in traditional moslem clothes...I don't think the native French have already become a minority, so you would expect them to react.....Well, they are all pink !

At June 20, 2007 2:23 PM, Anonymous dauphin_b612 said...

@ zazie

That's it, I think. I thought I had found a possible Dauphine not far from Toulouse, but she was more interested in adopting babies from Africa than having French children! The influence of the region must explain it somewhat.

At June 20, 2007 8:29 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

Now that I think about it, my analogy with the Italian-American neighborhoods may not have been quite appropriate. The Italians resisted the influx of the "low life" because they were tradition-bound, but in a right-wing way. They were not socialists, they were concerned about keeping their "territory" and about freedom from crime.

If I understand you (both of you), in the French southwest the traditions they are clinging to are socialist, therefore they vote pink and place their socialist loyalty above the issues of security and identity.

So, I would do better to compare them to our teachers, who live in misery on the job, but continue to vote "pink" so to speak, even though they would have everything to gain by becoming conservatives.

At June 21, 2007 1:21 AM, Anonymous zazie said...

à Tibeerce
Your comparison with teachers (yours and ours) is absolutely adequate...
Even if they keep acting "pink", do American teachers allow themselves to think oyherwise ? Most of the French teaching profession seem utterly unable to do so ! Do you remember "Animal Farm" and its slogan : "four legs good, two legs bad" being chanted by hens and chickens ? Well, with our teachers it is "pink is good, blue is naughty, and dark blue of course is very bad".....

At June 22, 2007 12:25 PM, Anonymous dauphin_b612 said...

@ tiberge

Yes, an apt analogy.


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