Monday, December 29, 2008

Dieudonné, Faurisson and... Le Pen


Here's an interesting development that was posted today at François Desouche. It seems that comedian and professional anti-Semite Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala (left), who is currently performing at the Zénith Theatre in Paris, invited onto the stage to join him one Robert Faurisson, noted French Holocaust denier.

More than that: Jean-Marie Le Pen was in the audience.

If this doesn't bring the Front National to an end, nothing will. I would almost venture to guess that Le Pen is doing this deliberately to sink his party so that no one, not even his daughter Marine, will ever take the reins of what he must consider his own private possession.

Such an event must be regarded in several different ways, simultaneously. First, Dieudonné derives intense pleasure from throwing the sh.. on the fan. He has learned that Jew-hatred is a thriving industry, that he attracts a public who calls him their hero, that he opens old wounds, and that, through the ruse of claiming he has been denied his right of freedom of speech, he wins support among people who are opposed to France's laws against Holocaust denial.

The trouble is: these laws are very much part of the problem. You cannot privilege one group by mandating that it is a crime punishable by fines and prison terms to deny the evil that was done to them.

Such laws are no different from affirmative action laws, and laws against all forms of discrimination such as those passed by the European Union. They create precisely the opposite of what they are supposed to do, i.e., they create hatred of the privileged party, they throw together into the same pot various social problems, ideas, and historical facts that should be kept separate and treated differently, because they are different. For example, anti-Semitism and hostility towards massive immigration not the same thing. They are not the same hostility. But the great equalizing machine that is Sarkozy's government must make ALL hostilities seem equally bad, because he is unable to make distinctions between them. To do so would be to admit that the huge population of people who are not white, Christian and European are not necessarily all equal. He must prove that they are, in fact, all equally, victims of the evil white Christian European.

Second, by having Le Pen in the audience, it is the ENTIRE patriotic movement, the entire effort to save France that is discredited. Le Pen is not discredited - he DOESN'T CARE!!! There is no need to concern ourselves with HIS image, but rather with the image and ultimate fate of the movement of which he claims to be a part, but of which he is not (and apparently never has been) anything but an impostor.

Third, this gives racist-hunters like Nicolas Sarkozy grist for their mill. Dedicated as he his to ridding French soil of all racism, he and his ministers will point to Dieudonné's provocation as a shameful, inadmissible, unacceptable, act of racism that has no place in France. This will serve his purpose very well and will furnish him with an infallible pretext for sending HALDE or MRAP or whatever anti-racist organizations he chooses to track down every measly Holocaust denier he can ferret out.

The media will have a field day pointing to the evils of the "extreme Right", due to Le Pen's presence, even though, according to Desouche anyway, Faurisson is a left-winger. (Note: The websites regard Faurisson as a right-winger. According to Wikipedia, he claims to be apolitical.)

The Jews of France will probably not understand the complexities of this situation, choosing to see only the anti-Semitism of the "extreme Right", blind to the insidious way their history is being manipulated and exploited for the purpose of intimidating, terrorizing, and mongrelizing the French people. Blind, too, to the dangers they will confront if they don't rethink their own instinctual reaction of identifying more closely with non-assimilable immigrants than with French patriots, of preferring to side with the Left or with Sarko's false Right than with authentic nationalists and traditionalists. This is a problem they have, but they are certainly not alone; and when one sees the ways in which the waters are muddied by celebrity policy-makers such as Dieudonné, and public opinion formed by relentless government propaganda, not to mention the inferior education being offered today, it is not surprising that things have reached this level of inextricability.

This incident itself hopefully will pass quickly into oblivion, its principal actors as well, but the processes described above will go on, until France gets a worthy leader, which will not be, as far as anyone can tell, in the near future.

François Desouche had to close comments for the post because of the legal considerations I alluded to. Some of his readers must have defended Dieudonné's right to express himself freely about the Holocaust. However to post such comments places Desouche in a vulnerable position where his website could be shut down for violating French laws.

This is what I mean when I say these laws are not doing anybody, except the "thought police", any good.

The post includes a video of Dieudonné on stage. French readers may have an easier time than I did understanding it. There are various versions of the video all over the French blogosphere. This one is more audible and shows the arrival of Faurisson on the stage as Dieudonné energetically encourages the audience to applaud. An aura of weird ritual emanates from the entire scene as this old man justifies himself to an audience of primarily young people, most of whom (one assumes) have no idea who he is. It's all very creepy.

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17 Comments:

At December 29, 2008 3:51 PM, Anonymous dauphin_b612 said...

Creepy, indeed! And what on earth was Julien Lepers doing there? Or maybe this is his taste? I perhaps will not watch "Questions pour un champignon" the same way again. I would like to take him and Le Pen and knock their heads together like Moe of the 3 Stooges would do. As you rightly say, this only hurts traditional/patriotic movements. Well, let the FN die then. It may make more room for a better party or leaders that have more common sense.

 
At December 29, 2008 6:06 PM, Anonymous Nicolas Krebs said...

"anti-Semite" (tiberge)

What do you mean?

"Holocaust"

What are you talking about?

"Jean-Marie Le Pen was in the audience."

You are a big fan of him, aren't you?

"The trouble is: these laws are very much part of the problem. "

tiberge complaining about the french antiracist laws. Very interesting.

"anti-Semitism"

What do you mean?

"racist-hunters like Nicolas Sarkozy"

What are you talking about?

"Holocaust denier"

What are you talking about?

"The Jews of France will probably not understand the complexities of this situation"

You probably are the one not understanding this situation.

"the anti-Semitism"

What do you mean?

"non-assimilable immigrants"

What are you talking about?

"the Holocaust."

What are you talking about?

 
At December 29, 2008 7:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Nicholas Krebs for your comments which point out the hypocrisy of using Leftist/Marxist jargon in an ostensibly conservative/patriotic critique of this event. Some of us think it's time to stop being polite about Jews, Zionism ,immigration, international banking and their combined deleterious influence on Western politics and culture. If it takes a comedian to get the message across to the poorly educated young than so be it. Harping on the guilt by association of "professional anti-Semites," 'holocaust deniers" and conservative French politicians out together for an evening of entertainment at the theater seems counterproductive especially when the rhetoric used to describe this event is so obviously loaded
in favor of the thought crime and hate speech mongering globalist opposition.

 
At December 29, 2008 9:41 PM, Anonymous dauphin_b612 said...

@ tiberge

The 2 preceding comments only make your point. I don't know if they are French, but this gives an example of what true patriots are caught between in France. Multi-culti's on the Left (I include UMP leadership) and old-time Vichyist collabos on the Right.

 
At December 29, 2008 11:23 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ dauphin,

Yes. That is the dilemma. That is why so many left the FN and founded small parties of their own: Mégret, Touzé, Spieler, etc... And it is why P2V could never be persuaded to join in with JMLP. You need a proud patriotic formation. You don't need someone who is going to discredit patriotism and nationalism. You don't need "box office poison." Unfortunately, so much damage has been done. And Sarkozy has stepped into the breach and installed the agenda of the Left (disguised as the "Right") to such an extent, it will take people of rare ability to sort the mess out (VERY rare ability).

As for the two preceding comments, if you paid me millions, I would not respond to them because I don't understand a word they are saying.

 
At December 29, 2008 11:26 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ dauphin,

Sorry, I forgot to mention that Kemi Seba, the gang leader of the "K" Tribe (which was supposedly disbanded by Sarkozy) was there also - I presume you know who he is. If not, you're better off! I don't know Julien Lepers.

 
At December 30, 2008 11:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Petition:

http://www.honestreporting.com/a/breaking_point.asp

«I call on the media to provide balanced, objective coverage of the Arab-Israeli conflict and not rely on information from Hamas - a terrorist organization - ...»

 
At December 30, 2008 2:07 PM, Anonymous Nicolas Krebs said...

Looks like dauphin_b612 and tiberge think that the french right is leftist, the french far right is actually the right, and tiberge "don't understand a word" in "What do you mean?".

"You don't need someone who is going to discredit patriotism and nationalism." (dauphin_b612)

by exhaling racism toward Jews, Maghrebins or Frenchmen?

"Petition" (Anonymous)

It's not a petition. It's an unstopable video without control buton.

 
At December 30, 2008 5:31 PM, Anonymous dauphin_b612 said...

@ tiberge

Yes, I like the term "box office poison"--that's the problem and what it essentially amounts to.
P2V for all his faults, strikes mostly the right balance politically I think (e.g., "stop immigration but help Africa as we can" and not a hint of anti-semitism, whatever his personal feelings might be), though his comportment can turn off people at times. Sometimes, I think a charismatic woman might be best, like Sainte Jehanne not Marine--maybe she is out there somewhere.

Julien Lepers is a popular game-show host. Think of Pat Sajak showing up at something similar. As to the comments, I agree, faut pas chercher à comprendre...

May you have a Happy, Healthy New Year, Tiberge, and a better 2009 (for us all!)

 
At December 30, 2008 5:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Krebs,
There was a petition.

«Four days after the Honest Reporting petition went out...»
http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/010323/british.shtml

 
At December 30, 2008 9:21 PM, Anonymous Long Live Western Civ. said...

IIRC, F. Desouche is hosted in the U.S., so it would not be subject to French "hate speech" laws for allowing certain comments to be posted, would it?

 
At December 30, 2008 9:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nicolas Krebs said...

«"Petition" (Anonymous)

It's not a petition. It's an unstopable video without control buton.»




Well, Krebs, it's a very short and informative video with a petition in the end.

 
At December 31, 2008 6:06 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Long Live Western Civ,

I do not have adequate information to answer your very reasonable question.

Theoretically, no. The French government cannot touch him for the comments at his blog, if he is hosted in the US. And bear in mind, that the law in question deals with holocaust denial only, at least as far as I know. So all other kinds of criticism, both responsible and irresponsible, should be allowed.

However I'm not certain. There may be some loopholes. For example, the fact the a Frenchman is exposing other Frenchman to holocaust denial, could result in some sort of legal action. But I would need more information on the actual Gayssot Law. Possibly my French readers know...

Another thing, even though he is hosted in the US, French or Jewish readers who are offended by the comments, could report him to some organization not directly connected to the government. In other words, he risks all kinds of harrassment, even if it didn't lead to direct action from the gov't.

IMHO, the government should allow freedom of expression. BUT, censorship should always be in the hands of private entities, such as websites, newspapers, magazines, etc... If a blogger wants to censor a comment, that is OK. If the government passes some broad unenforceable law that makes everything worse for everyone, that is something else.

When I was in France, in the '60"s, holocaust denial was unthinkable. It's been more recently that a kind of "industry" has built up around the idea. We are in an era of bad ideas, and incompetent leaders who don't know what to do about them.

 
At January 01, 2009 12:13 PM, Anonymous Nicolas Krebs said...

"Well, Krebs, it's a very short and informative video" (Anonymous)

I don't spend my time on video without controls (stop, faster, move to...), deals with this.

"with a petition in the end."

Please provide a way to jump at the end of this video (in order to see if there is really "a petition in the end").

"And bear in mind, that the law in question deals with holocaust denial only, at least as far as I know." (tiberge)

lol! First, there is no "holocaust" word in any french law. Second, there is no only one "hate speech" french law (Long Live Western Civ correctly used plural). Third, the french law forbidding the jewish genocide denial (see below) does not deal with this genocide only.

"So all other kinds of criticism, both responsible and irresponsible, should be allowed."

Any comment made by a frenchman and denying (even by suggestion or implicit, see 1991-03-18 Le Pen's convictment) the jewish genocide would be prosecutable and convictable by french justice.

"For example, the fact the a Frenchman is exposing other Frenchman to holocaust denial, could result in some sort of legal action."

Exactly (see above).

"But I would need more information on the actual Gayssot Law. Possibly my French readers know..."

wikipedia.org is your friend, you embarrassed-by-french-antiracist-laws.

"could report him to some organization not directly connected to the government."

Are you claiming that french justice and french magistrates are directly connected to the french government, like a dictatorship?

 
At January 01, 2009 11:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nicolas Krebs said...
"Well, Krebs, it's a very short and informative video" (Anonymous)

I don't spend my time on video without controls (stop, faster, move to...), deals with this.

"with a petition in the end."

Please provide a way to jump at the end of this video (in order to see if there is really "a petition in the end").



You loose your time with a bullshit of argument. Give me a break! Don't make me loose my time.

Bye!

 
At January 02, 2009 2:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"professional anti-Semite Dieudonné [...] has learned that Jew-hatred is a thriving industry": Tiberge, this is nonsense!

"Second, by having Le Pen in the audience, it is the ENTIRE patriotic movement, the entire effort to save France that is discredited" — no, just the opposite.

The key issue in France is the outrageously restricted freedom of speech. Those who do not dare to address the problem are discredited from the beginning. Hence the pathetic failures of Megret, Touzé or Spieler (Philippe de Villiers is nil).

The presence of JM Le Pen and Alain de Benoist in the audience was highly significant. It means that there can be a sort of basic coalition to fight for freedom of speech. It takes courage, but if you knew France you'd know it is the way to go. There is no other way.

Yours,

Doise

 
At January 02, 2009 4:28 PM, OpenID danr27 said...

At December 30, 2008 9:21 PM, Long Live Western Civ. said...
IIRC, F. Desouche is hosted in the U.S., so it would not be subject to French "hate speech" laws for allowing certain comments to be posted, would it?

I don't know about French laws, but I do know this didn't stop the British government from prosecuting and convicting, on grounds of "hate speech," British citizens Stephen Whittle and Simon Sheppard of heretical.com, whose website is hosted in Torrance, California. Whittle and Sheppard, dubbed "the Heretical 2," fled to the United States to seek political asylum before the verdict came in and have been in the Santa Ana (Calif.) jail since the end of July, 2008. Their case has gotten little publicity beyond two articles by Nicholas Stix at VDARE.com.

 

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