Monday, April 19, 2010

The Church and Pedophilia

The French blogs are still talking primarily about the attacks on the Pope and the Catholic Church, and about the airplane disaster that shook Poland to its roots.

Since I have not felt well this week, recovering from both very costly dental surgeries (no pain, except to my ego and my bank account) and a cold to add to my misery, I decided to just read and not post. Posting tends to put me to sleep when I am sick (sometimes when I'm well, too!), but I will once again attempt to pick up the thread of these stories. I have also received several interesting e-mails that I will answer eventually, and some comments that should be acknowledged at the least. Let's see what, if anything, I can accomplish.

One issue has been the statements made by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone in which he made a connection between pedophilia and homosexuality. This is a repeat of what happened in America a few years ago, when the gay community went ballistic over the same controversy, insisting that there was no connection and pointing to the fact that pedophilia is not necessarily homosexual in nature. But I think the point is that even though they are two different types of deviant behavior, there is little doubt that homosexuality contains a large component of pedophilia.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner was quick to condemn the Cardinal, as La Croix reports:

France condemns an "unacceptable amalgamation" in the controversial remarks of the nº 2 man at the Vatican, cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who linked homosexuality and pedophilia, indicated the French Foreign Ministry.

"It is an unacceptable amalgamation that we condemn," declared Bernard Valero, ministry spokesman, during a meeting with the press. "France is not forgetting its determined commitment in the fight against discrimination and prejudice relating to sexual orientation and gender identity."

The prelate had touched off the fury of homosexual associations when he declared on Monday in Chile: "Numerous psychologists, psychiatrists, have demonstrated that there was no connection between celibacy and pedophilia, but many others have demonstrated, and have told me recently, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia."

France was the first country to react to these remarks.

Those interested can read Wikipedia's account of Bertone's statement.

Le Salon Beige points out that the Cardinal's remarks have touched a sore spot, since they are a reminder that the great majority of victims of abuse by priests are adolescent boys. LSB quotes from a long text published at Sed Contra, that reviews the origins of the culture of sexual promiscuity that has plagued Western countries for almost half a century:

From the late 60's, homosexual and pederastic demands erupted together within French society, as a revolutionary weapon of destruction of the family, and through it, of the whole society. The FHAR (Homosexual Front of Revolutionary Action) is contemporaneous with CARP (Committee of Revolutionary Pederastic Action) baptized in the toilets of the Sorbonne in May 1968: the two were joined in a common cause. The big shots of the Communist Party who were then visiting the Sorbonne were shocked themselves...

Sed Contra then quotes historian Anne-Claude Ambroise-Rendu:

"The years following May '68 mark a rupture with the era of shame. The press and the radio were no exception as they explored the silence of intimate relations and denounced taboos. That is why the new publicity in favor of pedophilia took on a political dimension: by joining in the movement to radically remake the social and moral order, the defenders of a violence-free and coercion-free pedophilia attempted to give it a legitimacy and to make of it a veritable culture. The underlying motive? Children also have a right to sexuality. (...) From the FHAR to the magazine Gai Pied (Gay Foot), they all demanded, as did Michel Foucault, recognition of marginal sexual practices."

Sed Contra continues:

Between 1968 and the end of the '80's, the whole left-wing intelligentsia signed petitions in favor of lowering the legal age for sexual relations and for the release of the last pedophiles incarcerated by the French Republic. Among the signers: José Artur, Bernard Kouchner, André Glucksmann, Bertrand Delanoë, Jack Lang, Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir, Alain Robbe-Grillet, Philippe Sollers, Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Roland Barthes and even the very Catholic Françoise Dolto, who never should have stumbled onto the path of this odious demand... In the minds of these people, all the foundations and all the strictures of the natural order should be blown away at the same time. "Down with the society of heterosexual police! Down with sexuality limited to the procreating family! " proclaimed the magazine Tout in April 1971.

All forms of deviance (sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality, transsexuality, sado-masochism, pederasty, zoophilia, coprophagia) should all be legitimatized, normalized and legalized at the same time. There could be only one restriction, out of deference to the 'rights of man and of the citizen', and that is the consent of the partner...

Note: If you do not know what coprophagia is turn here. But please do NOT read it if you are squeamish. I don't believe the practice ever really caught on! It does make you wonder if these people were not beyond perversity, and truly insane.

But of what value is the consent of a sexual neurotic, raped by his father or his uncle at the age of ten? Of what value is the consent of boys and girls in a day care center? (...)

Sed Contra also cites statistics from the National Institute on Demographic Studies that show that persons who have had homosexual relationships are more likely to be forced into relations than those who have had partners of the opposite sex. This is the case for 44% of homosexual women (versus 15% of heterosexuals) and 23% of the men (versus 5% of heterosexuals). Most of the attacks took place before the age of 18.

Le Salon Beige concludes:

Those who wanted statistics have been served. Those who criticize Cardinal Bertone would do well to keep silent. As for those who promote homosexuality, they should be ashamed.

Addendum: The hypocrites are loose. The mayor of Paris Bertrand Delanoë, mentioned above, has published a communiqué expressing his anger at Cardinal Bertone. The openly gay mayor had also signed a petition to lower the legal age for sexual relations!

To finish this post on an optimistic note, those who support Roman Polanski in his quest to be exonerated will be happy to learn that he has appealed to Barack Obama. None other than Nicolas Sarkozy was the go-between. The report is from E-Deo:

During his most recent visit to Washington, Nicolas Sarkozy was the bearer of a letter from Roman Polanski to Barack Obama. The French president, who worked behind the scenes in support of the film maker, handed the letter to the American president. In it, the director, whose extradition trial is currently going on, explained to Obama that the two months spent in Swiss prisons, added to the 47 days of incarceration in 1977, in California at the time of the events of which he is accused, were sufficient to cover the penalty he would receive today in the United States. And Polanski added that his extradition would only have the effect of humiliating him in the American media. Nicolas Sarkozy supported his appeal.

The French conservative voters will appreciate their president's support for a sexual criminal on the run...

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At April 19, 2010 3:35 AM, Blogger zazie said...

very interesting indeed! some people's attitudes justput my teeth on edge (sorry for your teeth Tiberge!). I am particularly thinking of Kouchner whom I deny any right to speak in the name of France.
"Koukouch'panier" and his likes make me sick.
I can't possibly translate Kouchner's nickname ; it just means he is the pet of rotten politicians, a useful idiot, and more a four-legged animal than an upright man.
Sarkozy is another of the same kind.

At April 19, 2010 10:23 PM, Blogger Dr.D said...

Tiberge, I sorry to hear that you are not well, and hope that you recover fully very soon. Tooth problems can be very expensive and you have noted, and the cold just emphasizes the whole thing.

I am sorry to hear that Polanski has appealed to Obama. I rather think that Obama will pardon him simply to spite the American people, to show his complete disregard for Americans and for everything that America has ever stood for. Obama has gone to great lengths thus far to support every possible degradation of America, and a full pardon for Polanski, perhaps with some sort of award for great service, would be just the sort of evil thing Obama would enjoy doing.

At April 20, 2010 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wasn't there a post some time ago where it is mentioned that the LGBT allows mambla in their parades?
why would they allow that??

At April 21, 2010 9:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe that the Marquis de Sade was a coprophagia enthusiast. Of course, de Sade was a nasty and insane pervert, or was always considered so up until the 1960's, when he became a daring artistic hero to many.

Dr. D: I fear you are correct about Obama and Polanski. It would be a stupid move, politically, but Obama's contempt for the opinions of ordinary Americans is already so obvious that a Polanski pardon would be icing on the cake. Who cares about the moral sensibilities of average people when you can do a favor for Hollywood big shots with deep pockets?

What troubled me was Anne Applebaum's ridiculous articles in the WaPo excusing Polanski. I used to think Applebaum was a writer and commentator worth paying attention to. After her defense of Polanski, I have trouble taking anything she says seriously now.


At April 22, 2010 1:42 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Dr. D

Thank you for your concern. Yes, the cost is terrible. I have insurance, but my dentist is a "fee-for-service" doctor, so only a small portion is reimbursed.

Anyway, on to the topic.

It occurred to me that Obama would not be that foolish. It is true that he has no regard for traditional morality - recently he extended health care benefits to gay couples, but he might not go so far as to pardon Polanski. If he does, it will be (as Di points out in her comment) the icing on the cake. The country will then know for sure that besides being a committed socialist, he is indifferent to Western morality, preferring the anti-morality of May '68.

At April 22, 2010 1:52 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Di

I must admit I don't read WaPo, but is it surprising that a journalist would defend Polanski? I know nothing of Anne Appelbaum. Is she a person of traditional values? Aren't most journalists there left-wingers or at least left-leaning?

As for Obama, how ironic it would be if the man who tried to "teach" an American policeman how he ought to behave would turn around and defend a sex criminal!

At April 22, 2010 1:56 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ anonymous

Was the post at my blog? I don't remember, but I'll try to find it.

You ask: "Why would they allow that?"

My response: Why wouldn't they? They accept everything else!

At April 22, 2010 6:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anne Applebaum was the house conservative at WaPo. She won my admiration years ago by writing a truly great history of the Soviet Gulag.

She is married to a prominent Pole who is involved in Polanski's defense. Applebaum idiotically denied that the fact she knows Polanski socially and that her husband is representing him might just have something to do with her willingness to carry water for him. She was savaged in the comments section of the WaPo. The really pathetic thing is that she couldn't drop the matter. She kept defending Polanski and her logic got more and more twisted. To me, it was quite a blow to see a woman who had written of the countless victims of the gulag with such sensitivity display absolutely no compassion for Polanski's young victim.

P.S. My sympathies re: the tooth pain and the cold. Having both at the same time is truly the stuff of misery.



At April 22, 2010 12:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

tiberge said: »My response: Why wouldn't they?»

maybe there's a connection between pederasty and homossexuality after all.

At April 23, 2010 2:36 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ anonymous,

Of course. I had missed the point of your first comment. They would allow MAMBLA precisely because it is part of their own "value" system. I had understood you to mean that you were surprised that MAMBLA was present in the parades.

A post somewhere at Le Salon Beige says that pedophilia is largely heterosexual, the greatest number of such crimes being committed by adult males to female children. But it also points out that even though not all homosexual men are ephebophiles, almost all ephebophiles are homosexual males.

At April 23, 2010 2:45 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Di,

Thank you for the information. I feel that since she was personally involved she ought not to have expressed an opinion in the matter. After all, there is a lawsuit that has not yet been permanently resolved. The fact that her husband is defending Polanski should have imposed on her the duty to keep silent.

Note: David Brooks is the "house Republican" at the NYT. He is not only a RINO, but he has come out strongly in favor of gay marriage. Maybe working for the media brings about a transformation. I think everyone wants to please the Left, everyone wants to feel "in tune with the times." Being a Republican or a conservative is old-fashioned, puritanical stuff. No one wants it.

At April 25, 2010 3:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

tiberge sai: «Of course. I had missed the point of your first comment. They would allow MAMBLA precisely because it is part of their own "value" system. I had understood you to mean that you were surprised that MAMBLA was present in the parades.»

aren't there homossexuals trying to have pederasty legalized? kouchner, for example.

tiberge said: «A post somewhere at Le Salon Beige says that pedophilia is largely heterosexual, the greatest number of such crimes being committed by adult males to female children. But it also points out that even though not all homosexual men are ephebophiles, almost all ephebophiles are homosexual males.»

last time i read, there was nothing written in the lisbon treaty about pedophilia, a weird blanket. who are the people who wrote the treaty? are they pedophiles or are they dhimmis?

Irish Daily Mail: Pedophilia and the dark heart of the EU’s parliament:

At April 26, 2010 2:52 AM, Blogger zazie said...


Thanks for the link to wiseup journal

I am going to transfer it to as many people as possible.

At April 27, 2010 11:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zazie, you're welcome.

another link:

and is the dhimi/islamized tv channel for eurabia.



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