Norway - The Great Misinformation
First, I want to thank all of you who sent comments to the previous post. I have begun checking the links, although events move at such a rapid pace, it is almost impossible to keep up. A topic like this is so difficult to deal with. First, the deluge of attempts to psychoanalyze the killer becomes mind-numbing, and in the end, we still don't know anything. But more than that, the wildly inappropriate presentations by the media of a "Christian fundamentalist" and a "right-winger" can really set off feelings of despair in any well-intentioned and justifiably concerned European or American patriot. The French Catholic blogs have focused on why Anders Breivik cannot be a Christian. I hope to do at least one post on this aspect of the event, but I feel certain that any thoughtful reader understands that what Breivik did is not only anti-Christian, but closer in fact to what we call "Satanic" murders.
Here is some reading, which you probably need like a hole in the head, not to mention the fact that you may already have read this material. Still, you may find something of interest here:
The Blogmocracy has an article about the indoctrination against Israel that was taking place on the island of Utoya. The author makes it clear that even though he condemns the indoctrination, he also condemns the killings.
Here is another from Israel Hayom on Israel's offer of aid to Norway after attacks.
Gary Bauer denies Breivik is or could possibly be a Christian. From VFR.
American writer and gay activist Bruce Bawer who lives in Norway explains the ways in which the Norwegian government has been doing all it can to please the Muslims. I highly recommend this article.
H/T: VFR
Gates of Vienna has posted the statements of Geert Wilders, Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff, and Fjordman.
Wilders', Sabaditsch-Wolff, and Fjordman feel deeply implicated in this latest massacre because the killer referred to their writings in his so-called manifesto. Their first thought, quite naturally, is to point out the impossible connection between what they wrote and what the killer actually did. None of the anti-Islamist writers condones mass killing of innocent people. And even if the youth on that island were engaged in actions that we find reprehensible, this does not mean, cannot mean, that we condone such murderous acts. The question remains, though, as to whether or not these writings had an effect on the killer's psyche to such an extent that he actually performed a horrifying deed, and whether or not more such deeds lie ahead, predictably, inevitably, if not from Brievik, then from others like him.
My feeling right now is that he was a natural-born killer in need of an ideology. He found an ideology and it justified (to him) the shedding of innocent blood. Killers such as Brievik enjoy killing, they get a "high", they feel fulfilled, and they are ready to spend 21 years in prison, since Norway, like France, has a maximum sentence of 21 or 22 years. (However, Norway, like France, can detain them longer without a new trial if they pose a threat to society.) Some will disagree with the notion of a "natural-born killer". Are killers born or made? I don't have the answer to that.
This becomes something of a joke. The Norwegian police could not even get to the island for 90 minutes because the helicopter police were on vacation. And the Norwegian justice system will not be able to execute this man because of society's liberal views on capital crimes.
When I studied the French Revolution in school we were told that the writings of Voltaire, Diderot and Rousseau had set the stage for the revolt. The so-called Enlightenment, basically an anti-Christian movement, and its "philosophes" had so fired up the populace that they stormed the Bastille, took to the streets, constituted themselves a legislative body, murdered those that defied them or those they hated, and ultimately became notorious terrorists, in a feverish effort to eradicate the Monarchy and the Church. But if we blame the great writers of the 18th century for the carnage that ensued, must we then blame men like Fjordman for the Norway massacre? Are writings to blame, are the writers of those writings to blame, however unwittingly, for the actions of a killer?
I suppose it is safe to say that ideas that are "in the air", ideas that make powerful distinctions between right and wrong, good and evil, ideas that question the actions and policies of a lax and treasonous government, ideas that warn men of the grave dangers that lie ahead, are sooner or later going to be implanted in the minds of potential killers, who, as I said, need a reason to kill. But I am still not 100% convinced that there is a direct link between anti-Islamic writings, and what this 32-year old man did. Nor am I convinced that he was, as he claims, concerned about the decay of the West and the takeover by the forces of Islam. It is more likely, isn't it, that he was acting out a fantasy?
There are comparisons with Colombine, Beslan, Virginia Tech., Oklahoma City, among many...
In any case, Breivik was not a Christian, whatever he said. He was, it appears, quite the opposite: an anti-Christian and a Mason. The lodge to which he belonged has ejected him. The grand master of the Norwegian Order of Freemasons, Ivar A. Sklar, denounced his act, and refuses any responsibility for the crime, stating that the Lodge espouses "Christian values". H/T: Yves Daoudal
Here is an 18-minute video from Canada, featuring Ezra Levant and Michael Coren. Coren rejects with sound arguments the MSM proclamation of Breivik as a "Christian Fundamentalist."
Below, a photo of the Grand Lodge of Norway with the red and white flag. The red cross was featured on the cover of the Breivik's manifesto, emphasizing his adherence to Norwegian Masonry. I want to point out that the Lodge, whatever one may think of Freemasonry, cannot be held responsible. Only the killer is responsible, no matter how strong the influences on his thinking.
Labels: Crime, Criminal Responsibility, Freemasonry, Media, Norway

13 Comments:
Yes, of course he is not a Christian, as Christ would only condemn such action; I don't know Masonry other than as an anti-Catholic influence, but I imagine they would also condemn this. As you say, he is the one responsible for his evil actions. I think you are right that he was simply a killer looking for a "justification".
And now it begins. I saw on the news, Prince Haakon visiting a mosque as a response to Breivik, and there will now be more deference to Islam and a bigger push towards multi-culturalism, not just in Norway, but I fear in France (already nothing but talk of "xénophobes") and the rest of Europe. This terrible crime will have the exact opposite effect of its supposed intention, proving also that this type of thinking is not only evil, but unbelievably stupid.
these groups aren't christians:
«The New Apostolic Reformation, a neo-Pentecostal Christian movement»
http://pncminnesota.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/christian-group-directs-spiritual-warfare-against-pagan-goddess/
tiberge
You may be right, but this far, I'm convinced that he puts his conviction above anything, and in his mind, the killing was the way to get on with the plan.
If killing had been his main object, he could have achieved this probably much more efficiently in many other ways.
Besides, why would he take the time and effort on nine years of writing his book?
Time will show.
@dauphin
Terrible to watch the Crown Prince Haakon, the future King of Oslostan - or Medina(?), sitting on the carpet to the left in the photo, while Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre is standing up, to the right, asking forgiveness in the "World Islamic Mission Mosque", after last Friday attacks on the government and on the AUF youth at Utøya.
http://mediahash2.bt.no/incoming/article2544298.ece/ALTERNATES/w780c169/samling1.jpg
2005
- Oslo will be called Medina
Sheikh Issam Amira of the radical Hizab Altahrir, proclaims from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, that Oslo will be called Medina, according to Arutz.
"“It’s no surprise that our brothers in Denmark have succeeded in bringing Islam to every home in that country. Allah will grant us victory in their land to establish the [Islamic] revolution in Denmark.”
After Denmark, the Sheikh said, the party will carry the revolution to Oslo and change its name to Medina."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/92906
Why, Norway and Demark? Because of the relatively week populations, and the open societies. Easy to conquer.
Supporting a "Palestinian" state
Foreign Minister told the AUF youth at Utøya, the day before the attack, that he (Norway) was ready to support a "Palestinian" state - while the youth, for their part, were showing a big banner saying "Boycot Israel", read on white.
Could he have been the tool?
To give Christianity a bad name, and by such an attack ease the conquer of Norway?
Making a point of being "Christian" and "fundamentalist", in some way, only makes sense from the muslim point of view
1. Based on their totalitarian belief system, whereas other belief systems, consequently, must work the same way, taking into acount that close to 100% of the Norwegian population in Norway is Christian, are members of the constitutional state church.
2. To counterbalance 'islamic fundamentalist'
However, and this is essential, most Norwegians are not really all that Christian as such. It's not about what you believe in. It's more a formality. You get baptized, do the confirmation at 15, marry, and get buried in the church. And then, in between you go to church for Christmas once in a while.
Breivik had already deleted his photos, and his friends.
But who produced the facebook page accessible on Friday? Who changed some of the data? And why?
Why weakening Norway's defense, and the police?
Why didn't they have people ready to go immediately by helicopter?
The police chief explained that they have decided to have more capacity more time of the year, thus have most of their people go on vacation during the same time.
- Unfortunately, this was no the optimal solution this summer.
And obviously, he is not in charge of the budgets. He just has to manage with what he's got.
Stoltenberg has been PM for several years, and this solution is a concequence of their policy, with the help of the even redder SV.
- Less police
- Less military
SV(Kristin "Boycot Israel" Halvorsen, and Akhtar Chaudry, Gaza activist, and Vice Presient of the Parliament, recently honored by Pakistan for his work in Norway)
Lesser police capacity, meaning
- more violence
- more drug trafficking
- more asylum seekers free to demand whatever they want
- more girls and women being raped
- more care burnt
- more churches and schools burnt
Because the evil-doers know that the police will not have the capacity to find them
- Who are they, these evil-doers? The media do the best they can to hide it to the people.
This is the society the left wants for Norway.
"More democracy!"
Jens Stoltenberg
PM Norway
It must also be said, that this government actually didn't win the election by majority, but they still managed to get into position.
Now Stoltenberg thinks he's going to win more voters by emptying the capital's stock of roses, holding hands and crying for more democracy!
The political parties have agreed not to do any campaigning for the 12 September elections, until mid August.
In the meantime, what is it he is doing?
Here's a link to the dead and missing
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/ofre/
Johan Christian Tandberg arrived at the government building seconds after the blast, and immediately started filming while searching for people
He drove through the tunnel under the Government area, at the blast as his car was moved by it. Out of the tunnel, he was at the ground zero, and immediately knew it was an attack on the country, he explains to VG.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080824
Breivik is prepared to use psychological warfare from court, and explains in his manifest how other terrorists shall carry out the same following his detailed instructions.
The year 2001 marked a shift in times also when it comes to armed police in Norway
To protect the guests attending the Nobel Peace Prize, policemen were carrying machine guns guarding the Grand Hotel, on the main street, Karl Johan, just opposite the Parliament.
It made a very cold atmosphere, totally unheard of in Norway before. Only ten years back.
Oh.. A lot of response on that link!
The MM who is mentioned in your hightly recommended link, is a student in Medina. Long white dress and all.
There were also some threats against a publishing house in Oslo recently, at the publication of the book "Tyranny of Silence" - "Taushetens tyranni" in Norwegian.
The employees were asked to leave the house on the occasion. Fortunately, no damages were made, physically, at least, at the time.
Breivik was a split of a second away from being shot by police
They were almost certain he had explosives in his vest
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7729402
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