Monday, September 05, 2011

Justice Intimidated


Here's one for the books. If the stories about pregnant women being raped upset you, be prepared for some nausea. The article appears at Valeurs Actuelles. The author is Xavier Raufer, a well-known criminologist, and it deals with a crime that took place six years ago in the city of Carpentras, department of Vaucluse, in southern France:

The verdict was announced in early July. We were afraid it would be revolting, and it was. Here are the facts. In April 2005, a 14-year-old runaway girl wandered into a lawless ghetto in Carpentras where she was captured by a gang. For the entire month of April she was raped in basements or in hotels by about thirty individuals 16 - 22 years of age. She was exhibited, filmed by the savages, and on a highway even prostituted to drivers passing by.

The poor girl spoke of a "nightmare". These facts are made more serious because the repetition of the crime and the premeditation are blatant. The reader should be aware that anyone convicted of "gang rape of a 15-year-old minor", of "kidnapping", of "corruption of a minor" and of "aggravated procuring" may receive ten to fifteen years if a minor, or the double, if an adult.

The arrests finally began when the girl escaped. The trial was held, at last, in June in Avignon in the juvenile criminal court of Vaucluse. Now for those whose eyes are open, reading the articles about this trial in the regional paper la Provence arouses first incredulity then an ever stronger feeling of disgust, and even a sense of horror.

For what they exposed at this trial was a sort of children's game, or a story about boy-scouts, and not the torture of a young girl such as I described above. First, the psychiatrist, a caricature of a left-winger in his flowered shirt:

Rapists? They were merely experiencing their act as a "rite of passage" which was part of their "desire to feel they belonged to a group." Yes they were young and "intolerant of frustration" but, alas, not "prepared for the relationship with this desperate young girl." And so they "did not perceive the constraint of the circumstances" - groups of ten in a basement, in the light provided by their cell phones.

You can all appreciate the artistic minimalism of the "circumstances."

As for the girl - and here we find ourselves clenching our fists - the psychiatrist insinuates that during her ordeal she could have "felt a form of emotional pleasure". What about tomorrow? one judge asked eventually. It's all for the best, assured the psychiatrist, the rapists "do not present any risk of recidivism." Yet ten lines further on we read that during the trial, two of the principal suspects were "held for another reason."

The attitude of la Provence was surprising in that, having described the awful facts, it constantly edulcorated them. It went so far as to question, in a headline, what possibly could have been going on "in the minds of these Enfants Terribles." By way of a reminder, Les Enfants Terribles, a dream-like feminine film by Jean Cocteau from 1950 bears as much resemblance to the gang rape in Carpentras as a children's matinée bears to the carnage of Verdun.

In the end, the verdict was "moderate", rejoices the paper. And then we learn, through twisted words, that a handful of the perpetrators will perhaps spend two or three years in prison, but it's not sure, considering the clever mixing of suspended sentences with jail terms.

At this point in the account, permit me a criminologist's comment - but above all, a grave observation - this trial stinks heavily of fear and intimidation.

Unfortunately, every person involved - not just the paper and its reporter - was very careful not to ruffle any of the accused whose families were massively present in the room. Everyone watched his step. Everyone walked on eggshells. Everyone took the trouble to speak in pleasant periphrases and delicate euphemisms. True, a second expert (another psychiatrist) admitted that he "had not had a prolonged conversation with the accused" but nevertheless assured the court that they were "rather nice people" whose behavior is a "great mystery".

But there is something worse than this "Sicilian" atmosphere, so to speak. And this second mystery explains why - dumbfounded - I waited the entire summer before writing this article. I was in fact waiting for an outraged response, a collective cry of horror from feminists. But there was nothing, just a silence of death. A young girl repeatedly raped. Forced into prostitution. And as an extra bonus, what the defense attorneys have to say about her is horrible. A sample:

"Instead of speaking with words, it is in connection with sex that she goes towards the other. She is not seeking pleasure; she expresses herself with her ass." (sic)

Note: FYI here's the French version of the above: "Au lieu de parler avec des mots, c'est dans la relation avec le sexe qu'elle va vers l'autre. Ce n'est pas une recherche de plaisirs; elle s'exprime avec son cul."

This unbroken silence, this absolute silence from the feminists who are admitting, with heads bowed, that a women gang-raped "expresses herself with her ass."

Where is Caroline Fourest, said to be so strongly attached to women's causes? Where are the Chiennes de garde, who in this case have no voice and no fangs? And for its part, Osez le féminism! frankly did not dare very much.

Note: Caroline Fourest is an activist for homosexual and feminist causes. Together with her "partner" Fiammetta Venner (photo below of the pair), she founded an organization called ProChoix (Pro-Choice). See French Wikipedia for information on Fourest.


Chiennes de garde ("watchdogs", using the feminine form of "dog") is a feminist association that has the following manifesto as its guiding principle:

"We live in a democracy. Rights are free, but not all arguments are legitimate. Any woman who exposes herself, affirms herself, displays herself runs the risk of being called a 'whore'; if she is successful she is often suspected of having 'slept' with someone. Every visible woman is judged on her appearance and labeled: mother, good friend, all-purpose maid, lesbian, whore, etc…

Enough!

We, the Watchdogs, show our fangs. To address a sexist insult to a public woman (i.e., a prostitute), is to insult all women. We are committed to giving our support to public women who are attacked as women. We affirm freedom of action and choice for all women. We, the Watchdogs, maintain a precious value: the dignity of women. A word to the wise…"

Osez le féminisme! (Dare to be a feminist!) is another feminist association that began as a journal created by the planned parenthood movement, the Socialist Party and the UNEF, a students' union.

Xavier Raufer concludes:

Why this silence? Is it possible that radical chic feminism evaporates at the entrance of a hot ghetto? And how would these vanishing militants have reacted if, instead of "Lascars", the gang rape had implicated members of some right-wing party?

We hope there will be a response. Because, with such terrible brutality, any silence resonates as a crushing acceptance.

Note: Despite the genuine concern of Xavier Raufer for the deplorable actions of the court and the feminists, he did not once mention race or specific ethnicity. He only used the term "Lascars", a reference to a television series about ghetto youth and, I suppose, a kind of code word for Africans and Maghrebins. We can assume the girl was white (see photo below).

He has done a good job of denouncing the intimidation and fear that drove the French justice system to commit an outrageous injustice. But why did he not state the obvious - that crimes such as this one were extremely rare before the massive immigration policies that started in 1974, and that are now reaping the whirlwind.

According to Wikipedia, Raufer's real name is Christian de Bongain, and he has worked in the past for MSM publications such as l'Express and Le Figaro. In the early 80's he was a consultant to François Mitterand. He has been criticized for his methods that his opponents say are not scientifically founded, for his hasty judgments regarding the seriousness of crime in the ghetto, and for his connections to the "extreme Right."

Wikipedia:

In his book Les Nouveaux dangers planétaires (2010), Xavier Raufer denounces what he calls the "Byzantium Syndrome", a reference to the conquest of Constantinople on May 29, 1453, by Mohammed II, the Ottoman sultan. As the siege drew to a close, a council met in Constantinople where a stellium of theologians discussed the sex of angels. In this work, Raufer draws a parallel with the current situation in which people discuss what he believes are innocuous subjects, instead of facing the new planetary dangers (terrorism, criminality, among others).

I don't know why Raufer (below) did not mention race and ethnicity in his essay. He probably has his reasons. I hope they are good ones.


Addendum: I was about to post when I decided to look for more comments by the psychiatrists. I am taking them as I find them from articles in La Provence. Dr. René Pandelon said the following, according to La Provence, June 23:

"They (the rapists) are normal with unremarkable histories, who found themselves confronted with an extraordinary situation that turned everything topsy turvy. (In a society where you go) from repressed sexuality to hypersexuality, they were not prepared for the relationship with this desperate young girl."

"In this sexuality, what is important is not the sexual act but the relation with other members of the group. I must exhibit myself to show others what I am capable of. These young people are not searching for pleasure but for participation in a common act. It's an initiation ritual which is not a new phenomenon."

Note: It may not be new but it is barbaric. He does not point that out. He goes on and talks about himself:

"Its true that there are better types of initiation. My first arousal, I felt it when I gave holy water to a young girl who was entering a church. (He then goes back to the topic of the crime:) In this sexual practice, the object of sexuality is not the connection with the girl but the relation with the other boys, a little like 'La Guerre des boutons': I can do it, I have a larger penis, or I can pee further…"

Notice how he deviously connects sex with going to church. La Guerre des boutons is a famous French movie about children.

"They did not perceive the constraints of the circumstances. For them the encounter took place without threats, without violence. She was not attached. They did not feel the psychic constraints or the victim's situation of profound distress from her lack of a sense of otherness… This young girl was looking for love, for affection."

Note: Her "lack of a sense of otherness" is not clear. He seems to be saying that because she did not have a "significant other" she sought out the company of a gang of rapists.

She could not oppose the will of the group and could at times feel overwhelmed by the situation and feel a form of pleasurable affection. For them, she was reduced to the level of an easy girl: they jumped at the opportunity."

Again from La Provence:

Attorney El Bouroumi:

The encounter was terrifying for these sexually inexperienced young men "who live with families who do not talk about love, and even less about sex."

Attorney Tassy:

There is a "terrible sickness of life" in this adolescent girl in flight continued attorney Tassy, who stigmatized the girl for sexuality without affection.

Finally some observations from La Provence:

When they began making arrests in Carpentras, the ghetto of Pous du plan, home to the attackers, went up in arms. "It was unthinkable", said one teacher. For the families, for the residents of the project, the accused boys, all from large families, could not have done "that". Yes, they spend the day roaming around, riding without a helmet and provoking the police. But never would they participate in such deeds. In these families, there is no talk about sexuality, and these boys, raised by protective, permissive parents, appear to lead two different lives. Within the family, they are nice, helpful, and respectful. (…) Outside it is not the same thing. At school they all have trouble accepting authority. And neighborhood solidarity is more important than all the rest. They all agree that "with a girl from our country, it wouldn't happen like that" and that "never would they have allowed one of their sisters to be in this girl's situation."

By the time the trial took place, six years after the crime, most of the attackers were married with children. They admitted to the mistakes of their youth, but they all insisted that the girl had consented.

Below, the only picture of the victim with her lawyer who was seriously outmaneuvered by the plethora of vindictive defense attorneys. She certainly appears to be white.

Final thought: Because France has accepted these millions upon millions of aliens into their territory, it is inevitable that rapes will increase exponentially. It is therefore to be expected that rape will no longer be considered as a crime, but as a playful act by inexperienced kids performed on infidel women.

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34 Comments:

At September 06, 2011 4:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE PSYCHIATRIST IS NOT WELL OF HIS MIND.

Rapists? They were merely experiencing their act as a "rite of passage" which was part of their "desire to feel they belonged to a group."

CAN THE GIRL HAVE A «RITE OF PASSAGE» AND SHOOT THEM ALL?

 
At September 06, 2011 4:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And so they "did not perceive the constraint of the circumstances" - groups of ten in a basement, in the light provided by their cell phones.


DOGS!

 
At September 06, 2011 4:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Instead of speaking with words, it is in connection with sex that she goes towards the other. She is not seeking pleasure; she expresses herself with her ass." (sic)


?????????
???????
GARBISH PEOPLE IN FRANCE

 
At September 06, 2011 4:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"had not had a prolonged conversation with the accused" but nevertheless assured the court that they were "rather nice people" whose behavior is a "great mystery".


THE MYSTERY IS iSLAM STOOPID!

 
At September 06, 2011 4:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Within the family, they are nice, helpful, and respectful. (…)


BULLSH*T! SOME BEAT THEIR SISTERS TO THE POINT THEY URINATE BLOOD!

 
At September 06, 2011 4:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Outside it is not the same thing. At school they all have trouble accepting authority.

THEY DON'T ACCEPT AUTHORITY FROM THE NON mUSLIM.

 
At September 06, 2011 4:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They all agree that "with a girl from our country, it wouldn't happen like that"

THE RAPE OF NON mUSLIM WOMEN IS IN THE KORAN.

 
At September 06, 2011 4:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They all agree that "with a girl from our country, it wouldn't happen like that"


RACISTS!
IT WAS A RACIST RAPE!

 
At September 06, 2011 4:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And neighborhood solidarity

and that "never would they have allowed one of their sisters to be in this girl's situation."




THEY BEAT THEIR SISTERS WITH THEIR PARENTS PERMISSION.

 
At September 06, 2011 4:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is therefore to be expected that rape will no longer be considered as a crime, but as a playful act by inexperienced kids performed on infidel women.


that might make people take justice into their hands.

 
At September 06, 2011 7:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

islam the religion of peace

http://www.lunion.presse.fr/article/societe/une-jeune-prof-demissionnaire-temoigne#.TmUwgeBIk8s.facebook

 
At September 06, 2011 8:02 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

As usual I received a flood of short anonymous comments. I have so far posted most of them. I doubt that they are from ten different people, and I wish the writers would group them into a few comments. However, most of them have some meaning, however crude, in this case.

The first and last of the bunch both speak of the possibility of taking the law into one's own hands. This may be what eventually happens. But we have to remember that the French people may not be adequately armed, the perpetrators may far outnumber the avengers, the victims, if not already dead, could be killed, and of course, the police under orders would arrest anyone who attempts to get justice through vendetta.

Unless the country is in such a state of chaos that the police cannot function, or unless the police suddenly disobey their superiors and take the side of the victims.

A much better way is just to put them all in jail for a long period of time, send their families back to the homeland, seal the borders, stop all mosque building, arrest anyone who prays in the street, and ban halal food of all kinds from French territory. A declaration that the country is in danger would have to precede this.

 
At September 06, 2011 8:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the psychiatrist insinuates that during her ordeal she could have "felt a form of emotional pleasure".


IS THE PSYCHIATRIST TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF?

 
At September 06, 2011 9:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

muslims rape men:


Muslim Gang Rapes Man in Manchester Centre

http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/01/-muslim-gang-rapes-man-in-manchester-center.html


Arab masters raping boy slaves

http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=14580



A young Christian man was raped and brutally murdered in Pakistan for refusing to convert to Islam, and police are doing nothing about it, the victim's brother and minister told

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526126,00.html


http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/09/24/afghan-boy-rape-rampant



British Women Pay High Price for Multiculturalism

http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/02/british-women-girls-pay-high-price-for-multiculturalism.html



Leading English Muslim Endorses the Killing and Raping of Non-Muslims

http://jonathanturley.org/2008/04/02/leading-english-muslim-endorses-the-killing-and-raping-of-non-muslims/

 
At September 06, 2011 9:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Islamic countries the male victim of rape is deemed a homosexual and punished as such. Male rape victims are viewed with the same prejudice as female victims of rape.





"Modern" Dubai says male victims of male rape are homosexuals and punished as such.


http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/12/modern-dubai-sa.html



http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/05/woman-raped-in-afghanistan-son-killed-she-gets-jail/


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/002-rape_adultery.htm




Some muslim men are actually encouraged to rape men and boys so these shamed victims can then be easily turned into suicide bombers.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11023.html

 
At September 06, 2011 10:46 PM, Anonymous pdv said...

Is Raufer's the only voice -- and Galla Watch's?

If so, it's probably because the situation at this point is beyond comment, and also beyond your "better way." I think France once again has a date with destiny.

As for the girl, she was gang-raped a second (or is it the 30th?) time, this time in a courtroom. Does that make it legal?

Quite frankly, I didn't think much of Raufer's piece - dreary and inadequate. But thanks for posting it all the same.

 
At September 06, 2011 10:49 PM, Anonymous pdv said...

"Gallia Watch's," of course!

 
At September 06, 2011 11:40 PM, Blogger John Sobieski said...

So this girl was a whore and wanted it. Isn't that what they are saying? She deserved it. She was stupid trailer trash. I did not know how far France's court system has fallen. It's all too familiar.

They are all dhimmis. The prosecutors, the journalists, the judges. All pretending there isn't a white elephant in the room. How pathetic.

 
At September 07, 2011 3:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is Klaus Barbie when you need him?

Robert in Arabia

 
At September 07, 2011 3:27 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ pdv

Thanks for your comment. When I first read Raufer's article I thought "This is a good article to post." As I worked on it, questions were raised in my mind. Why did he wait so long to write it? He claims he was waiting for the feminists. But maybe he was just waiting for the heat to be off. What difference would it have made if the feminists had reacted? He could have perhaps written a more forceful article with their support. And to call them "Lascars" was too much. He lacked the courage to call them and the girl by their racial identities, which was a crucial factor.

He seems to still have one foot in the MSM mentality, and for all we know he is still a presidential consultant. Despite these drawbacks, I'm glad he wrote it, because I would have never known. I cannot follow every crime. And there have been many gang rapes in France.

As for the feminists, they have no interest in women, only in their own sexual preferences and agenda. To speak out against the rapists would put them in a confrontation with the very groups (immigrants, minorities, "oppressed") that they support politically. And I suppose they are cowards as well.

 
At September 07, 2011 3:31 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ John Sobieski

During the trial the rapists claimed she enjoyed it and begged for more.

Then the lawyers painted her as a dysfunctional vagabond in need of "affection."

 
At September 07, 2011 4:31 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Robert in Arabia

I believe Klaus Barbie was in the courtroom. Reincarnated in the rapists and their defenders.

 
At September 07, 2011 1:20 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

@ tiberge

You are quite right about Klaus Barbie, or perhaps he was reincarnated as the psychiatrist.

As to the psychiatrist, unfortunately this perverted thinking is all too prevalent. I believe France has the biggest proportion of psychiatrists and psychologists to population in Europe (psys we call them); they are in every aspect of society. France is the largest consumer of psychiatric drugs on the planet, as these psys act as conduits for the pharmaceutical companies to the general population. What better way to control a population, weaken their resistance, and make them pliant to accept anything - massive immigration, the rape of our women, population replacement, etc. Even if it is not a conscious conspiracy, the result is the same.

 
At September 07, 2011 9:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Where is Klaus Barbie when you need him?

Robert in Arabia

September 07, 2011 3:11 AM


THERE WERE 30 KLAUS BARBIE RATS.

 
At September 08, 2011 1:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

«GalliaWatch has translated an article....

I really think it's time to form a movement for combatting discrimination against whites, for example, in crimes where the perpetrators were of a specific ethnicity that the PC crowd won't touch out of selectivity.»


http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2011/09/blame-victim-tactics-are-everywhere.html

 
At September 08, 2011 8:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The subject of the article is obviously going to stir up some strong emotive responses from the readers. lf one sits back and views the matter from some kind of objective philosophical position the response could well be even more extreme - viewed in the cool light of reason the correct reaction is to take the rapists out and shoot them. That they too are teenagers is no defence. Their youth might offer them some relief if their crimes had been of a lessor nature - the crimes of the youth of bygone and better times were nothing compared to what goes on these days. l dont think these revolting thugs will ever redeem themselves. None of them seen to have shown any remorse or even an admission that what they did was terribly wrong. You can blame the society and make all sorts of excuses but in the end it is those who have committed these horrible crimes who should pay. The problem is most of their peers and relatives are of the same mindset as these filthy rapists. We have always had crime and injustice in the West but the muslim newcomers have brought new crimes with them - their religion seems to approve of the crimes they committ against the indiginous Western peoples they now reside amongst. The times are becoming more and more extreme yet we in the West become better and better at pretending not to see. l pray that the veil is lifted from our eyes before it is too late. We must fight back.

 
At September 08, 2011 8:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

tiberge

Regarding the anonymous comments pouring in, it's guite obvious that some of them are from the same person, and I agree with your posting them

They have important points. Could even be written by someone who herself, knows too much about rape and ideologic violence based on a certain book

Obviously written by somebody concerned in some way or other. This kind of violence does something to you. The comments have som very good points, though.

Comfort and support to all those beaten and raped!

 
At September 08, 2011 1:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One word on Raufer

He turns up at C dans l'air on France5, from time to time

You notice that he knows a lot, but cannot - because of written or unwritten rules about what officially can and cannot be said - say what he knows and what he thinks.

However, it is clear that he is not happy with one big certain group of djeuns' running their illegal businesses the way they like without the police being allowed to take action.

He speaks from close encounters with the djeuns in question. In other words, he is very well informed about the facts. You can see that he is sitting in the studio closing his mouth, because he knows, but cannot tell.

 
At September 08, 2011 9:28 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ anonymous (about Raufer)

I'm glad to hear this, in a way. It makes perfect sense. He is trying to tell as much as he can without coming right out and calling a spade a spade. I knew he was very well informed. I have written about him before but I don't have the link handy.

I still tend to think he waited two months before exposing the misdeeds of the justice system in order to let it all die down. It is possible he wanted to avoid more violence.

The only problem with this tactic is that the violence is increasing anyway, and if the truth is not collectively perceived by the general population, and if Draconian measures are not taken soon there will be no way on God's earth to prevent a final defeat of the West by the Left + Islam. If the Left would swallow its pride, and if the faux-conservatives would stop being intimidated by the Left, Islam could be stopped.

But a completely corrupt justice system places France in the same league as countless corrupt third-world countries - African, South American, Muslim, or Communist countries.

You would think that French pride would be horrified, the way Argentinian pride was horrified at the murder of those two French girls.

 
At September 09, 2011 6:49 AM, Blogger DP111 said...

tiberge wrote: and ban halal food of all kinds from French territory. A declaration that the country is in danger would have to precede this.

Been saying so for a long while.

Multiculturalism has allowed many barbaric practices to enter Europe/West. These have become virtually a social plague. One of the worst of these practices is the ritualised and slow killing of dumb helpless animals.

Since we allowed in Muslims, we have re-adopted the barbaric practice of the slow killing of animals, just to keep Muslims happy, and prevent them from going on murderous riots. Halal slaughter, was once just a small enterprise, and could be ignored. But now the suffering of dumb animals is on such a huge scale that it can longer be ignored.

It is unacceptable that our values of humane slaughter have been trashed to appease the unappeasable. How has it come to pass, that we have trashed our humane values and forced our society to barbarism – worse still, done it with no reference to us?

It is time to say enough. Halal slaughter, halal meat and all halal products, imported or otherwise, is completely against the culture, faith and traditions of Europe and the West, and should be totally banned in Europe.

I know that if France banned halal, Germany and the EU will follow.

 
At September 09, 2011 8:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/orleans-6-hommes-mis-en-examen-apres-la-mort-d-une-femme-violee-09-09-2011-1600121.php

 
At September 12, 2011 2:55 PM, Blogger crusader said...

This is very, very sad.

 
At October 23, 2011 6:13 AM, Anonymous Armor said...

rutube

A video (in French) about a similar affair : a 13 year old French girl was raped in 2000 by about 30 diverse people over a 3 month period. It must have happened in the Paris region, since the trial was held in Paris in 2008. What I don't understand is the long delay before the trial. In the end, all of them were declared guilty, two of them received an unsuspended jail sentence, but no one actually went to jail. (maybe none of the rapists were over 18 at the time?)

 
At October 24, 2011 1:50 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Armor

Thanks for the interesting information. I have not had time to view the video but will do so.

It is not surprising that so much time elapsed. This is common in Europe. There is a long "examination", by the "examining magistrate", the judge who leads the investigation. There may have been other reasons. If the criminals were foreigners, or black or Arab, there may have been pressures to wait.

At any rate, you say that no one went to jail, despite the verdicts. When a lot of time passes this is often the outcome.

The French complain a great deal about our "brutal" justice system, but theirs is just as bad, possibly worse at this point.

 

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