Tuesday, August 14, 2012

From Belleville to Biloxi?

This story has been all over the web, readers have been sending me links, and by now it is old news. French millionaires are leaving France. Some are coming to Mississippi, a move welcomed by former Governor Haley Barbour, who penned this article from Foreign Policy:

The first European settlement in Mississippi, Fort Maurepas, was established by French explorateur Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville in 1699. With the recent announcement by France's Socialist president, François Hollande, of a tax plan to soak the rich, should Americans and others get ready for another French emigration, not of explorers but of entrepreneurs and other employers?

Because that's what may be about to happen -- and it could happen to the United States if Barack Obama and the Democrats follow in Hollande's footsteps.

You might think that the purpose of the new and higher French taxes was to significantly affect the deficit. But it wasn't. Rather, writes Michael Birnbaum of the Washington Post, who notes that the higher income tax "raises too little money to make a dent in France's funding needs," the Socialist tax plan "is more of a political symbol than an economic measure. It will help give Hollande political cover."

Sacre bleu!

Perhaps Monsieur Hollande's leftist political base may be placated by skyrocketing tax rates on job creators, but businesses and investors say the actual, as opposed to the symbolic, economic effect will be to reduce growth -- a tall order when one considers that economic growth this year in France is predicted to be a paltry 0.2 percent as it is!

(...)

The French tax increases are, of course, far larger than those proposed in the United States; not only would those making more than $1.23 million a year be taxed on all gains over this amount at a 75 percent rate, but taxpayers who make less than $100,000 per year would be taxed at 48 percent. And that's after already paying a 19.6 percent sales tax or VAT!

(…)

Indeed, Hollande's new tax policy levies a 3 percent "one-time" wealth tax on assets held by individuals (foreign or French) in France, when the value of the assets equals more than 1.3 million euros, or about $1.75 million. Corporate taxes will be increased in a variety of ways, such as a 3 percent tax corporations must pay on the dividends they pay out to their shareholders. And new taxes will be levied on financial transactions, on lending institutions, and on oil and gas companies.

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Switzerland is already preparing. "It's open hunting season on the wealthy in France," Francois Micheloud, a partner in a company that helps foreigners relocate to Switzerland, told Bloomberg news. "The number of Frenchmen asking for assistance has tripled."

My name, Barbour, is an old French Huguenot name, and my great-great-great-great grandfather Louis LeFleur, a Frenchman, founded a trading post around 1800 that developed into Mississippi's capitol, Jackson, a quarter century later.

I wonder if we Barbour boys ought to set up a business to attract wealthy Frenchmen and successful businesses from France to Mississippi. As a low tax, pro-business state with a regime of rational regulation, we could roll out the red carpet and run up the tri-color over Fort Maurepas. Bienvenue, mes amis!

Note: While the brain drain out of France is not new, it may be too soon to tell if this story is real or virtual. For a man to uproot himself he needs to be free of family obligations, unless the whole family goes with him. For a rich man to prosper in America, we have to provide the incentives and the support he needs for his efforts, which will be harder to do if Obama is reelected, as is most likely. If the rich man, besides seeking a more favorable financial climate, is also trying to escape from the cultural changes that have plagued France, he may find similar problems here, and he may have trouble finding good schools here for his children, although the South is probably the best place to settle in terms of the "American way of life", a standard of living rapidly disappearing in our times. The "American way of life" applies not only to money, but to optimism and common sense in the solving of problems, a carnal feeling of love for America and her accomplishments and a Christian ethic.

Since we are rapidly losing our identity I would also welcome these Frenchmen who, like the pioneers of old, are seeking a better life. They would be a great asset to Mississippi. But I can't help feeling they are more needed in France.

At any rate I believe that Frenchmen who leave their country with their families are seeking more than a free enterprise system: they are escaping from a civilisational crisis that may be reaching a boiling-over point.

Fort Maurepas has had a long history of restoration attempts that were started but not completed. In the 1990's, while a replica of the Fort was in the process of being built, reenactments of the founding of the site and of everyday life were held. Below, from February 1995, we see the Fort Toulouse danseurs. This photo along with many others can be found at Ocean Spring Archives, a very long webpage detailing the history of the Fort.


Fort Maurepas was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, but thanks to local initiatives from the mayor and Governor Barbour, it has once again been restored, and is now part of an historical park. Below, a shot of the restored fort.


Would our wealthy Frenchmen find prosperity and contentment in Mississippi? I like to think so, and I hope they come, but if they decide to stay in France, we will understand.


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19 Comments:

At August 14, 2012 5:21 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

I don't know Mississippi, but French people moving to the states may be in for a shock when they add federal, state, city, and local property taxes together, depending on the area, certainly as in California and NYC. And a difference with France is that in the US, unless you are very poor, you get very little in return for your taxes. At least in France there is some health insurance and mostly free education, including some of the best universities.

Also, not to defend Hollande's 75% rate, but someone told me that in the US in the 50s or 60s, the rate on income earned above a million dollars was 90%. Is this true?

As to Barbour, isn't this the insane governor who pardoned dangerous murderers and criminals recently?

I'm sure Mississippi is an interesting historic place to visit, but transplanting oneself might be a bit of a culture shock for some.

 
At August 14, 2012 7:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

".. economic growth this year in France is predicted to be a paltry 0.2 percent as it is!"

Update: 0%

This is the latest estimates

 
At August 14, 2012 7:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

French schools abroad

For those who decide to flee the taxation in France, school should not be a problem. As there are French schools everywhere in other European countries, they would probably set up French schools also in Mississippi, or wherever they might choose to go.


Universities in France
- More expensive this autumn. Prices are up around 3%, says today's news


Changes in France
- Let's talk about it in twenty years when you will be wearing a veil, says Lionnel Luca about the changes

- Islamization, do you think that is too strong a word? Let's talk aobut it in twenty years...

Lionnel Luca, politician, right, known for his straightforward speak



 
At August 14, 2012 9:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

- We've had enough!
Ozanam, Carcassonne

- All these criminals, what they want, is to make us leave. We're no longer in France, in Ozanam

http://www.fdesouche.com/316307-carcassonne-ozanam-ce-quartier-qui-nen-peut-plus

 
At August 14, 2012 10:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vandalizing Christian symbols have now become the new order of the day

A cross has been vandalized for the third time this year.

http://www.fdesouche.com/316180-robiac-rochessadoule-30-nouvelle-degradation-dun-symbole-religieux


Two chapels vandalized in the South of France, in Gard

http://www.christianophobie.fr/breves/deux-chapelles-du-gard-vandalisees-en-quelques-semaines


All this, while another 20 Christians have been killed in Nigeria

It shouldn't be so hard for the media and the politicians to see what is really going on, should it?


La Vie En Rose...
Normal 1st may not exactly be dancing on roses, as he on Tuesday 14 August uses words to make people believe he is going to fight violence in the country

(La Vie En Rose, the famous French song, that Trierweiler had asked for on the election day, after Hollande had been elected.)


 
At August 14, 2012 10:28 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ dauphin,

I doubt that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy Frenchmen to the U.S. I do feel, though, that if it happens, it will be for more than one reason. Obviously they would not get the health care here that they get in France. On the other hand, some wealthy successful Frenchmen don't agree with Sécurité Sociale, and prefer private plans that can be tailored to individual needs (Claude Reichman often complained about the near-bankruptcy of the health care system). But more than that, if Obamacare goes through they WILL have something close to national health care. So, this may not be a deciding factor. Regarding taxes, I can't say - my knowledge of fiscal policies is dismal, and I can't answer your question about the 90%. But I always heard that wealthy Frenchmen complained bitterly about the taxes in France - didn't you tell me that Françoise Hardy was considering leaving if Hollande was elected?

I still say there will be more than one incentive that drives Frenchmen out of their country. Man doth not live by fiscality alone (or doth he?)

Haley Barbour, like so many "Republicans" in today's America is a mixture of old-fashioned Southern chauvinism (towards the South and his own fief), something I don't really object to, plus a big streak of gangsterism. He pardoned several prisoners, which is his prerogative, but they were convicted murderers. He claimed he had good cause, but I feel he showed himself up as a demagogue. There's some information here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haley_Barbour#2012_Pardons

 
At August 14, 2012 10:57 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

Also, I think there may be better places than Mississippi - possibly other Southern states like the Carolinas, or Kentucky. Some Frenchmen would feel at home in Boston and New York, were it not for the crime, poor schools, and low-level popular culture that may be worse here than there. At this point I don't know where the worst is. It seems to be everywhere.

We've been running away for so long. Since the sixties, there has been a mass exodus from the East to the West. But as the problems spread everywhere there is no place to run to. Maybe Curiosity will enlighten us about Mars, and we can save our money for a one-way journey there in the bleak and hopeless future that seems to lie ahead (though things could turn out differently).

It could be that some E.T. will land on earth, creating a psychological and religious upheaval of such magnitude that all our problems will be swallowed up and forgotten in an extraordinary event of cataclysmic proportions.

 
At August 14, 2012 11:23 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ anonymous 7:03

I heard about the 0% growth. So immigration hasn't helped? You aren't all rolling in prosperity thanks to ten million (or more) non-Europeans who drain the country of its treasure and its morale?

@ anonymous 7:45

Lionnel Luca is right. He is outspoken, but I think he backs off when the heat is on. Possibly he will become a friend of the Front National one day.

American Universities charge a fortune, literally, for a very liberal (i.e., Socialist-feminist) education, with many orgies thrown in for recreation. But I don't know if French universities are actually better than ours. We have more variety and more choices. But the cost is astronomical!

 
At August 14, 2012 11:33 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

Two addenda:

I added the word "former" to my post in reference to Haley Barbour. He is former Governor, not current Governor.

When I put "Republican" in quotes it is to say that he is not in all ways a conservative. His freeing of murderers smacks more of liberalism than traditionalism. His tax policies were conservative, more or less, but he seems to be unreliable as a public official dedicated to the safety of his constituents. This is a problem that plagues many so-called Republicans. For example, George Bush was supposed to be a "conservative" but he allowed the borders to be porous, he cut deals with the president of Mexico, and he saw Islam as a religion of peace.

I feel sure that Mitt Romney will reveal himself to be part conservative, part liberal, and wholly useless to us. However, as with Sarkozy and Hollande, the Republicans will have no choice but to vote for him. We have no Marine Le Pen as a third (and better) option.

 
At August 15, 2012 11:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Chicago! Chicago!
I'll show you around
Bet your bottom dollar
You'll loose the blues
in Chicago.."

..ta-ta-ta-ta-taa

;)

 
At August 15, 2012 11:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One Way Ticket
- to the Blues..

 
At August 15, 2012 12:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So immigration hasn't helped?"

- Nope. Who'da thought...!?
0703

 
At August 15, 2012 12:56 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

@ tiberge

Thanks for your interesting responses. Yes, Françoise Hardy thought she was going to have her income taxed at 75% which she said would have put her living on the street, she didn't realize that it was on income over 1.23 million.

Yes, the Carolinas, Seattle, Vancouver, might be more attractive areas. The grass is always greener, it remains to be seen how long they stay. Of course, wealthy French in the US can afford to protect themselves by living in nicer areas and sending their kids to safer schools, but this is the case if they stay in France as well. Man does not live by bread alone as Christ said, and as you referred to. There is also the mal du pays that sets in after a time.

 
At August 15, 2012 2:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will the US disintegrate?

 
At August 16, 2012 12:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Down in Mississippi"
by Mavis Staples
Album: "We'll Never Turn Back"

Sad song, but great voice. Here in a duet with Aretha Franklin, "Oh, Happy Day"

 
At August 16, 2012 12:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't seen any numbers on this, but many French are in exile in Belgium and in Switzerland. Probably also in Luxembourg and Liechtenstein.

London has an important number of French in exile.

Many more will be likely to follow to these countries now. French-speaking Canada is also very likely for those who want to escape the 75% tax.

 
At August 16, 2012 3:46 PM, Anonymous Nicolas Krebs said...

"someone told me that in the US in the 50s or 60s, the rate on income earned above a million dollars was 90%. Is this true?" (dauphin)

It is false, of course. A 90% rate tax in the USA? Come on! It can't be! This can't appen in the United States of America, the country of freedom. It must be a leftist lie.

Or not.

 
At August 18, 2012 8:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frenchmen thinking of migrating to the USA should know a few things they might find relevant:

We have 3 French speaking ethnic communities in Louisiana: the white Cajuns, the black Creoles, and the Indian Houmas. All of them were battered to Hell and back by Hurricane Katrina, and their continued existence is not assured. If you have French pride and want to put it to action, you know where to go. (And yes, they're all Catholic.)

There is also a fairly stable French speaking community in the Aroostook Valley in Maine. An impoverished but stable and proud region, and more than able to make Frenchmen feel at home.

There's a nice thing Southern Frenchmen should know about California: feral pigs there have reverted almost fully to being wild boar. They are a pest species, and so hunting them with shotguns in the Provencal fashion is not limited by season nor tag limits. In some areas there you will overhear Italian spoken by newcomers also taking full advantage of the situation.

As for taxes and social problems: American regions are self governing at every level: states, counties, towns and tribes. There are no departments or prefectures. Social and fiscal conditions vary wildly.

 
At August 18, 2012 10:38 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ anonymous 8:21

Thanks for this informative comment. I don't know if you've convinced any Frenchman to come, but you've reminded me of the diversity of customs and tax policies. I'm very much a "States' rights" person, convinced that the United States, unlike some European countries, cannot survive as a centralized State.

 

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