Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Great Thinkers on Islam

This item from the Washington Times came today in my mailbox. It's not news, but worth remembering that past leaders of the Western world, whatever their flaws, were grounded in reality. Today's mass psychosis of denial will destroy us all unless someone grabs the helm from the sleeping pilot.

CHARLOTTE, October 9, 2012 – We have a tendency to think the global war with Islamic terrorism can be traced to 9/11/2001.

A little research shows that the Western world has been dealing with the complexities of the Middle East and its primary religion for hundreds of years as evidenced by the words of many of our most prominent historical figures. Here is what some of them had to say.

1: “Bolshevism combines the characteristics of the French Revolution with those of the rise of Islam. Marx has taught that Communism is fatally predestined to come about; this produces a state of mind not unlike that of the early successors of Mahommet. Among religions, Bolshevism is to be reckoned with Mohammadanism rather than with Christianity and Buddhism. Christianity and Buddhism are primarily personal religions, with mystical doctrines and a love of contemplation. Mohammedanism and Bolshevism are practical, social, unspiritual, concerned to win the empire of this world.” Bertrand Russell (1872 – 1970)

2: “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on it votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. Individual Moslems show splendid qualities. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.” Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)

3: “Wherever the Mohammedans have had a complete sway, wherever the Christians have been unable to resist them by the sword, Christianity has ultimately disappeared. (ditto, Judaism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism ...).” Teddy Roosevelt (1858-1919)

4: “I studied the Kuran a great deal…I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principle cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world. Its social and political tendencies are in my opinion infinitely more to be feared and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.” Alexis de Tocqueville (1805–1859)

5: “In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar (i.e. Muhammad), the Egyptian, combining the power of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an imposter, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.

Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of his sexual passion. He declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind.

The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace on earth, and good will towards men.” John Quincy Adams (1767–1848)

6: “(Muhammad) was cruel on principle. He did deliberately what other men do from impulse. The ambition which tramples on the right of men to think or to live is the greatest of human crimes. A drop of blood shed in the cause of God is of more avail than two months of fast and prayers. Whosoever falls in the battle his sins are forgiven …and the loss of his limbs shall be replaced by the wing of angels. Hatred of Christians and Jews is rooted in their hearts from childhood.” Professor George Bush, NYU, great-granduncle of George H. W. Bush (1830)

Note: Regarding the above quote from Bush, see note below.

7: “(Piracy) was founded on the laws of the Prophet, as it was written in the Koran; that all nations which had not acknowledged (Islam’s) authority were sinners; that it was (the Muslims') right and duty to make war upon them and enslave them as prisoners, and that every Muslim slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.” Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

8: "Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it … have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws. Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind." John Wesley, founder of the Methodist church (1703 -1791)

Apologists continue to remind us that Islam is a “religion of peace.” Apparently some of the greatest thinkers of the past didn’t get the message.

Note: Here is an excerpt from Israel Hayom's website, where the above circa-1830 quotation from Professor George Bush is expanded on. The link is to the Hebrew version of Bush's book:

Early American leaders and thinkers were endowed with deep appreciation and unique knowledge of global history, international relations, ancient cultures, ideologies and religions. They spoke and wrote candidly about global threats, including the Islamic threat.

In 1830, New York University Professor George Bush, the great-granduncle of George H. W. Bush, considered one of the most profound American scholars of the mid-19th century, published "The Life of Mohammed." He was not concerned about political correctness, was low on delusion and top-heavy on realism. His 1830 reference to the Islamic threat was consistent with the 2012 state of intra-Muslim atrocities, hate-education, tyranny, anti-U.S. stormy Arab winter, intolerance of criticism, global Islamic terrorism in general and suicide bombing in particular.

According to Professor Bush, ”[Muhammad] promised robes of silks, marble palaces, groves and fountains and beautiful virgins to those who fought for the faith … offering his enemies the alternative; the Koran or the sword. … It was inflamed by zeal for a religion which assured the soldier of victory now and paradise hereafter. The permanence of this religion is now apparently secured by education … in regions where freedom of thought is unknown [pp. 155-6].
“O prophet of God, I will beat out the teeth, pull out the eyes, rip open the bellies and cut off the legs of all who shall dare to oppose thee [pp. 36-37]. … [Muhammad] was cruel on principle. He did deliberately what other men do from impulse. … The ambition which tramples on the right of men to think or to live is the greatest of human crimes. … The sword is the key of heaven and hell. A drop of blood shed in the cause of God is of more avail than two months of fast and prayers. Whosoever falls in the battle his sins are forgiven … and the loss of his limbs shall be replaced by the wing of angels [pp. 103-4]. … Hatred of Christians and Jews is rooted in their hearts from childhood [p. 137]. …

Below, Alexis de Toqueville, Bertrand Russel, Winston Churchill, John Quincy Adams.


Final note: Some minor editorial changes were made to the Washington Times article.

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12 Comments:

At October 10, 2012 10:06 PM, Blogger Stogie said...

Outstanding post! I will link, and also copy it for future reference.

The true nature of Islam has been known for centuries, yet today we still have those who deny it and insist it is just another religion, no more violent or extreme than any other. This article does much to refute such ignorance.

 
At October 10, 2012 10:12 PM, Anonymous pdv said...

The pictures of De Tocqueville and Adams are reversed. The top left is De Tocqueville.

Excellent quotes. We are indeed living in a trough.

 
At October 10, 2012 11:23 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ pdv,

How foolish of me! I have corrected it. Thanks.

 
At October 11, 2012 3:18 AM, Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Dangerous ground though with Russel,the man who gave us the "scientific society"

 
At October 11, 2012 4:08 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ ENGLISHMAN,

I'm sure you're right. My only acquaintance with Russel was in my junior year in college. (You would say university, but I don't know how you would say "junior year"). I took a course called Symbolic Logic. Don't ask me why I signed up, but I had heard the professor was a genius, and I was curious to see a genius at work. He never actually explained to us what Symbolic Logic was, so it appeared to me to be an impossibly arcane and incomprehensible topic that I couldn't grasp at all. Others had problems too. In one quiz he asked us to prove that there were as many falsehoods as truths in the world. We were stymied, and stunned when we learned later what the answer was: there are as many falsehoods as truths because every truth denied is a falsehood! Who would've thought!

I had a failing grade going into the final exams, but I did not want to fail. I took the textbook and plunged into it from page one, slowly reading and not leaving a chapter until I had understood its meaning. It began to become comprehensible, almost a revelation. On the day of the final exam I felt I knew something, and I must have passed because he gave me a "C", which is an average grade. It meant that I had indeed learned something from those hours of toil. In all it took about seven evenings of concentrated mental work to get through that book (which I still have, but never look at).

I learned from Symbolic Logic that an argument can be completely logical without being in the least true. This course of study helped me later when I studied computer programming on sabbatical leave from the public schools. I believe there is some connection between symbolic logic and computer programming, since you are dealing only with cold-blooded logic, not truth or judgment.

Symbolic Logic was (we were told) the creation of Alfred Lord Whitehead and Bertrand Russel.

Anyway, the teacher did not seem to be a genius, only a bit pompous.

End of story.

 
At October 11, 2012 9:42 AM, Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Tilberge,thanks for sharing that with us,i am a hammer and nails man myself,though there is little opportunity for discussions of philosophy on building sites,they do not like poetry either and become quite agressive.I do not understand how russell can present "scientific society"and not advocate it,but that is the way with hair-splitters,very much like the A b of C williams,tells us that it would be so very beneficial to give away our country and adopt an alien creed,even better if the English simply commit mass suicide and save the muslims the trouble of killing us.

 
At October 11, 2012 11:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did Columbus first discover America in 1492, after the Reconquista?

Just a thought

 
At October 12, 2012 3:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

DP111 wrote

It seems that this is a collection of a summary of Islam, that I have kept for years. Here are a few more

Churchill: “The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.”

Victor Hugo, in "Les Orientales", writes: "The Turks came this way. Everything is ruin and mourning.

From Marco Polo's Diary:
"The Muslims in Persia are wicked and treacherous. The law which their propehet Mohamet[Muhammad] has given them lays down that any harm they may do to one who does not accept their law, and any appropriation of his goods, is no sin at all.. And if they suffer death at the hands of Christians, they are accounted martyrs.

Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica:
“For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life." - Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica, 1354.

Tiberge
More if you want.

 
At October 13, 2012 12:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

DP111 wrote

Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica on Islam and Muslims.

“For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life." -

Gregory Palamus of Thessalonica, 1354.

This is the most abhorant of all Muslim practice, that not only do they murder, burn, pillage and rape, but they believe that allah not only approves but actually recommends such evil. Muslims make their allah an accomplice in war crimes and human rights violations of the most gruesime kind. And for such evil, they are granted a place in the brothel in the sky.

 
At October 13, 2012 4:29 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ DP111,

You can send as many as you like. I have a good one from Saint-Exupéry, posted by Diana West. I'll put it up soon.

http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/2219/-Green-on-Blue-in-WInd-Sand-and-Stars.aspx

 
At October 13, 2012 5:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

DP111 wrote...

Victor Hugo, in "Les Orientales", writes: "The Turks came this way. Everything is ruin and mourning.

Carlyle - The Qu’ran is “a wearisome confused jumble” with “endless iterations, longwindedness, entanglement”

Count Keyserling (1880-1946 CE) account of his travels in Islamic countries in "The Travel Diary of a Philosopher"

“Islam is a religion,” he wrote, “of absolute surrender and submissiveness to God - but to a God of a certain character - a War-Lord who is entitled to do with us as he will and who bids us stand ever in line of battle against the foe… The ritual of this belief embodies the idea of discipline. When the true believers every day at fixed hours perform their prayers in serried ranks in the mosque, all going through the same gestures at the same moment, this is not, as in Hinduism, done as a method of self-realization, but in the spirit in which the Prussian soldier defiled before his Kaiser. This military basis of Islam explains all the essential virtues of the Musalman. It also explains his fundamental defects - his unprogressiveness, his incapacity to adapt himself, his lack of invention. The soldier has simply to obey orders. All the rest is the affair of Allah.

 
At October 16, 2012 2:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget General Patton:

"One cannot but ponder the question: What if the Arabs had been Christians? To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing. Here, I think, is some text for an eloquent sermon on the virtues of Christianity."

-- War as I knew it, General George S. Patton, Jr.

 

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