Monday, November 19, 2012

Civitas - November 18

Warning: Obscene photos further down.

The photos from Sunday's Civitas rally against gay marriage and adoption are very similar to those from Saturday. However, in Paris there was one incident that stood out for its vulgarity. Nude women, part of the "Femen" group disrupted the march and sprayed the demonstrators with tear gas. Their naked torsos were painted with blasphemous slogans such as "F… God", "F… Church" and "In gay we trust" (photos below).

These obscene paid "professionals" were supported and seconded by a well-known French "journalist" and militant lesbian named Caroline Fourest, who had already demonstrated in favor of gay marriage on Saturday and had been pushed back by the police. Theoretically, these counter-demonstrations are illegal because they were not announced. Alain Escada, president of Civitas sent a communiqué posted at Le Salon Beige:

"(…) During our march this Sunday, this woman (Fourest) accompanied the feminist and homosexual extremists who showed up completely nude in front of children (this is what she calls "humor"). Their counter-demonstration had not been announced. They approached our column screaming, in the presence of police. Note that all of these aggressive counter-demonstrators, including Caroline Fourest, were arrested. However, the police did not arrest a single one of our demonstrators who were able to continue their march calmly to the National Assembly. Permit me to thank the authorities for their professionalism in seeing to it that everyone was safe."

Escada also spoke in front of the National Assembly, the final destination of the demonstration:

"This marriage for everyone is an open door to all sorts of madness! To polygamy or to incest!" he proclaimed into the microphone, before uttering a Pater Noster and religious songs joined by the crowd. He sent a warning to François Hollande: "This is but a first step! We will call for more action."

Below, a familiar face - deputy Jacques Bompard, mayor of Orange, who was elected to the National Assembly last June to the great relief of nationalists and Catholics, with Mme Bompard, also an elected official.

Below, the banner they held when they reached the National Assembly.

Below, two obscenities. See more obscenities here.

More photos (not obscene) here.

Finally, there are calls to dissolve Civitas on grounds that it and other "extreme right-wing" groups engaged in violence against the Femen females and their accomplice Caroline Fourest. Fourest claims she was beaten several times. Le Point reports the words of radical leftist Eddie Aït who accuses a group called GUD:

"Those who don't know the true face of the French extreme right discovered it today with the shameful attacks that the militant feminists of Femen and some journalists, notably Caroline Fourest were victims of. The GUD, Groupe Union Défense, connected to the Front National and known for its ultra-violent actions does not hesitate to add physical brutality to the homophobia, intolerance and hatred of the fanatics of Civitas."

"The movement Civitas must be dissolved as the law authorizes," he stressed.

Government spokeswoman Najat Vallaud-Belkacem reacted:

"There is no place for aggressions by the extreme right in our country. The government will have no tolerance for violence and the excesses that are associated with it. The freedom to inform is not a principle one can vacillate on."

Note: She seems to be referring to the "attack" on Fourest, who claims to be a "journalist". The Catholic websites are dubious about her credentials.

A Socialist deputy named Anne-Yvonne Le Dain proclaimed:

"Tomorrow I will ask Interior Minister Manuel Valls to dissolve Civitas. (…) I would like to point out that these people who claim to defend Christian values violated without shame a basic principle of human societies: a man does not strike a woman."

No more comments. Enough lunacy for one day. One last photo of the rally:

At the top you see demonstrators with a banner that reads as follows:

"In accordance with the Holy Scripture, that treats them as grave depravations, Tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered"

"Cathechism of the Catholic Church"

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At November 19, 2012 10:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

why not answer a straighforward question - did someone hit the woman or not?

At November 19, 2012 11:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Islam has been turned back when Christian men had had enough. These Femen better watch out. Going naked wont stop Muslims - in fact it will only attract them.


At November 19, 2012 12:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

obviously there was an exchange, and it appears somewhat violent.

At November 19, 2012 1:24 PM, Anonymous King Lear said...

The decay of the West continues...

At November 19, 2012 2:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tomorrow I will ask Interior Minister Manuel Valls to dissolve the Socialist Party. I would like to point out that these people, who claim to defend liberal and feminist values, routinely turn a blind eye to racist rape as long as the victim is white, which describes the majority of interracial rapes in France, and that by doing so they have violated without shame a basic principle of human societies: a decent human being does not sponsor racist mass-rape.

At November 19, 2012 3:39 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

I think it is never right to hit a woman, whatever the provocation. Christ was beaten, spat upon and mocked. He could have retaliated and annihilated his enemies at any time, but did not. This should serve as an example.

But the Femen are an example of what this is really about; not love and committment, but licentiousness. Licence is not the same as freedom. Something is not necessarily right, just because "I'm" doing it, and unusual concept in today's egotistical world.

My family had friends who where an old gay couple in the theatre. They loathed this type of behaviour, and even words such as "gay" (they used to say, what's "gay" about it?). They were disgusted by the increase of gay subjects in the theatre, and missed the golden age of good plays. Quite a difference with the radical agenda there is today.

At November 19, 2012 6:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even prostitutes have the decency not to show of their wares in the manner these supposed fighters of freedom do.


At November 19, 2012 8:39 PM, Anonymous Robert Marchenoir said...

The Femen did not spray the demonstrators with tear gas ; they used domestic fire extinguishers, which is notably less agressive. Two of them explained it themselves, and it's wholly consistent with the available pictures and videos.

Most media reports about the incident were remarkably confused, and very biased towards the female gang.

This much is established by now :

- The Femen counter-demonstration was not authorized by the police, and therefore illegal ;

- Usually, counter-demonstrators stand next to the demonstration they wish to oppose. In this case, the Femen deliberately chose to enter the flow of the main demonstration and disrupt it. Therefore the agression came from their side. This was deliberate. They had planned it. They said themselves that it was an intended "provocation".

- They forced themselves half-naked into a crowd they knew was very traditional Catholic, and included children, with very obscene and very insulting slogans painted on their bodies.

- They then proceeded to empty their fire extinguishers on the crowd. The canisters were painted with more incredibly offensive words ("holy sperm"). At least one toddler was in the immediate vicinity on its stroller.

- At that point, the demonstration's own security physically opposed the women, in order to a) take the fire extinguishers off their hands, b) remove them from the crowd.

- The Femen did not let this happen, and hit back at security.

- It's at that point that some of the right-wing demonstrators engaged in some violence which could be deemed objectionable. One of the Femen had a broken tooth. The lesbian, leftist intellectual-activist Caroline Fourest, who was filming the action, claims she was thrown to the ground and kicked while laying down. There is video footage which seems to support this. The Femen were chased down a side street for a brief moment.

- However, the whole incident did not last long, nobody was seriously wounded, and whatever happened was in reaction to prior physical agression by the Femen.

Two Femen activists explain what they did (in French):

At November 20, 2012 1:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


"They loathed this type of behaviour, and even words such as "gay" (they used to say, what's "gay" about it?). They were disgusted by the increase of gay subjects in the theatre, and missed the golden age of good plays."

- Interesting facts, dauphin. Such a totally different approach to it all. The last few decades, probably coinciding with the Eurabia project, it seems that so many "gays" are just in it for the fashion of it. Insecure and vulnerable people easily lead by leaders of whatever kind.

At November 20, 2012 2:08 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ Robert Marchenoir,

I thank you on behalf of all my readers for this account of what happened. Last night when I posted it wasn't 100% clear what was in the sprinklers, though more than one said it was tear gas, nor could I be sure that Fourest had actually been attacked.

Caroline Fourest is the one who said on French television, not so long ago, that France was the country that had exterminated 6 million Jews (I paraphrase). Therefore I don't consider her as reliable.

These Femen girls are well-paid, apparently by leftist Germans, (or others - I believe Le Salon Beige readers left links to sites explaining the sources of their money).

I think dauphin is being too much of a gentleman, although I agree it is better for a man not to strike a woman. He may be sued, she could sully his reputation, he may lose his job. It is just better not to. That said, woman are demanding absolute parity and equality. They are joining police forces, flying fighter jets, and fighting on the battlefield, where they don't belong. Since they have asked for it, they will get it, and they should not complain, since they are being treated as men would be.

I have no sympathy for the anti-woman feminist movement of today. However, these girls are so clearly pawns in somebody's hands they would be pathetic if they were't so hideous.

Of course the feminist movement does not object to paying young girls to go naked into a peaceful demonstration, but they will sue any man who pinches their bottom.

At November 20, 2012 4:13 AM, Blogger zazie said...

Nobody has commented upon something strange : whereas the anti-gaymarriage slogans were (logically) all in French, the females'(no mistake here) obscenities were all in English -or isn't it rather Globish?-....My deduction is that these hysterical women are paid by international forces.
I too have homosexual friends who behave decently ; I remember one of them telling me, with tears in his eyes, that he would never have children because "one must make a choice and stick to it"

At November 20, 2012 5:53 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ zazie,

So many dirty and obscene words from English have been adopted by the "young people" of France. The "F" word sounds more gross in English than the French equivalent. However, it does appear that the ones who pay these girls are not themselves French: Here is one link from Le Salon Beige:

The link is from the fourth comment at this post:

There are now 50 comments to this fascinating post. There are still some unanswered questions about the "femen" and what they did or did not do.

Regarding the behavior of gays, I had several gay friends in college, and in the first decade of my working life. They were always interesting, well-educated, connoisseurs of the arts, and good-looking too! The eruption of AIDS, the growth of the gay movement changed all that. They began to close ranks and become intolerant of anyone who did not support the movement, anyone who did not contribute to AIDS research, etc... They also changed their appearance - bald heads, earrings, a sexless look. And lesbiens did the same. They closed themselves in, when in fact no one had ever really thought of disliking them. They made it impossible not to dislike them. I was sorry to drift away from two friends, both of whom later died of AIDS.

Gays were also great opera and classical music fans, gourmet cooks, and good actors. It wasn't easy for them, of course, but look at how they have discredited themselves now.

At November 20, 2012 6:53 AM, Anonymous mikehutchinson said...

How can a group such as civitas, who, along with the Vatican (see Doyle Report) aid and abet paedophiles, think they have a moral high ground from which to attack loving couples?

At November 20, 2012 2:45 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ mikehutchinson,

Catholics are split on homosexuality itself. Some feel the act itself should be condemned (throughout history the act has been condemned, long before there was a Catholic Church). While others have no problem with the fact that gays love each other: they are simply opposed to the redefinition of marriage. Gays can make use of the PACS (Civil Union).

As for the cases of pedophilia (I will read the report you mention as soon as I find the time - I presume it covers the infiltration into the Church of pedophiles, and homosexuals, and the harm inflicted on children), the Church has paid over and over again for these cases. This does not excuse the Church in any way, but it does indicate the harm that can come to children from homosexuals, who are often pedophiles as well. The worst thing about gay marriage is gay adoption. I do not believe it is morally right for a country to legislate such a thing. Of course it happens in real life, but it should not become part of a law. I do not believe it is morally right to change words such as "mother" and "father" and to neutralize them into terms that have much less emotional impact, such as "guardian" or "parent". There is nothing wrong with these more neutral words in the proper context, but the words "mother" and "father" are primordial, essential in the life of a child.

How does Civitas have the high moral ground, you ask? I would ask "How does Christiane Taubira have the high moral ground to redefine marriage and place children - by law! in abnormal situations?

The biggest irony is that gays have never cared about marriage. Being gay was one great way not to have to marry. They are pushing for this in a power struggle with the forces of tradition, which includes the Church, but many other groups as well. And there is the popular sentiment that it is a bad thing morally. Many mayors (including leftists) say they will refuse to perform the ceremony. The French simply see this as morally unacceptable. Here, in this case, they are being true not only to tradition, but to natural law.

The notion that all of a sudden people are concerned about morality, when on other issues, such as Islam (that persecutes homosexuals) they appear to have no traditional morals is well taken. I agree. But I still feel it is wrong to pass this law. Enough has been done to help gays (and many other groups.)

At November 20, 2012 3:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the fact is, that if you watch the videos, some men in the Civitas group hit these women.

This is beyond pathetic. A bunch of half naked women, with rather pretty breasts, are considered a threat? Look at the videos carefully - you see some stupid guys putting up his hands, looking for a fight with a woman! come on! this is pathetic. this is Islamic.

Christians are supposed to love their enemies. A bunch of women with fire extinguishers?

One can be opposed to gay marriage, and still denounce sheer stupidity.

Let the Muslims make themselves look like idiots. Catholics should behave differently.

At November 20, 2012 9:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get real, these women deserve to have their teeth knocked out. Feminists rightly point out that the sort of Victorian protection given to women was in exchange for their political submission, now that they are active in politics they can't have it both ways, they can't advocate what amounts to genocidal policies and then expect their victims to treat them with respect and deference just because they are female. If they want that sort of soft treatment let them retire from the field. Otherwise let them reap the full consequences of their treasonous, destructive, genocidal actions and beliefs.

At November 21, 2012 3:14 AM, Blogger crusader said...

Tiberge, you'll be happy to learn that LifeSiteNews is reading GalliaWatch. Check the link in this piece on the marriage demonstrations!


"Get real, these women deserve to have their teeth knocked out. Feminists rightly point out that the sort of Victorian protection given to women was in exchange for their political submission, now that they are active in politics they can't have it both ways, they can't advocate what amounts to genocidal policies and then expect their victims to treat them with respect and deference just because they are female. If they want that sort of soft treatment let them retire from the field. Otherwise let them reap the full consequences of their treasonous, destructive, genocidal actions and beliefs."

Anonymous is right. The guilt of millions of abortions, broken families, and blasphemies against Jesus Christ lies at their feet. Yet these genocidaires expect Traditionalists to treat them like ladies?

At November 21, 2012 4:43 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ crusader,

Thanks for the link. I delighted.

At November 21, 2012 10:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Anonymous and Tiberge

You are nuts, literally, if you can't see how limited your reponses are.

A child can be as provocative as it likes, but only an extensively limited adult or parent would "knock its teeth out".

If that's your stand, then you are indistinguishable from the third world immigrants you rail against. You have no claim to culture or civilisation. Two monkeys fighting in a cage. In this case the immigrants take nothing from you, because you have nothing to take. Only a Nazi would suggest knocking a womans' teeth out, when you have the perfectly valid option of using Civitas security guards to push them off.

If not for Tiberge's comment, I would have assumed that Anonymous is a frustrated male porn-addict, or a deliberate provocateur whose association with Galliawatch, a cerebral and relevant website, is deliberate.

That you both risk the reputation of Galliawatch, is sad. All you need to balance such anger is the other sides anger and like I said, two monkeys fighting in a cage. Both dirty, slimy, and unattractive.

knocking women's teeth out - this is beyond pathetic.

by your definitition of genocidal Tiberge, everyone who has walked this earth deserves to be put out for merely taking in the air. Since holiness is a must, if they are to be spared. Everyone's positions, yours included, can be construed as genocidal. All you need is some dufus to come out and say "punch them, they deserve it" and you look like the very enemy who has awoken you from your slumber.

Once you look like the enemy - the results of your battle are irrelevant. Since whichever one of you wins, the result is the same.

At November 21, 2012 10:42 PM, Anonymous Bartholomew said...

Anonymous (first) wrote,

"why not answer a straighforward question - did someone hit the woman or not?"

What women? Only beasts go around so naked.

Do they mean to say that a man never strikes a female? Nonsense, a good father may need to strike an exceptionally errant daughter. And though these daughters act like dogs, they are still daughters of France. A good slap was well warranted.

At November 22, 2012 7:27 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

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At November 22, 2012 7:44 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ anonymous 10:50 a.m.

First of all, my response to Crusader should have read "I'm delighted". Sorry about the typo. Secondly, this referred to the fact that this post was linked at another website, not to the fact that the women deserved to have their teeth knocked out.

The truth is, I'm not sure what you are reproaching me for. And I am not certain which comment of mine you are referring to. I understand you find it "beyond pathetic" to condone violence to women, in this case, knocking out their teeth. I am not in favor of violence to women, if you are implying that. No one has suggested gratuitous violence is justified. They have said, as I have, and I repeat, that certain types of behavior lead to certain consequences. It is inevitable that if women do such a thing as to intrude, naked, covered with obscenities, into a Catholic demonstration, that they are asking for trouble. If a woman is on the battlefield in Afghanistan, and she is shot at, taken prisoner, and raped, would you say to the enemy, "please don't hurt her. She is only a woman?" You could not say that because she volunteered to be in the army, and there are consequences to her foolish decision?

As for the Ukrainian feminists: they are paid by foreign (non-French) pimps who care little for what happens to them. But once the women agree to do these things they must know there will be consequences. When the Pussy Rioters burst into an Orthodox Church in Russia, they could not be unaware there would be consequences. A light jail sentence was completely justified and Putin was right to hold his ground (He claimed he had no influence. The sentence was much lighter than what he wanted.)

Now it is true that the Femen and the Pussy Riot, et al... are not a major threat to our civilization, but they are participating in the work of the Left, which is to undermine, whenever possible, any attempt to reassert traditional values. Why should they not be punished, since the young patriots who occupied the Poitiers mosque were put under house arrest for several days. (I still don't know if they are free.)

Where on earth have I given a definition of "genocidal"??? This rally and the Femen incident has nothing to do with genocide - you have introduced a concept that is nowhere in this post. You are saying that these half-crazed girls were simply taking in the air?????

It has been established that they sprayed the demonstrators, including CHILDREN, with domestic fire extinguishers. This, I suppose, is what you call taking in air? These fire extinguishers can contain dangerous chemicals such as CO2 and halogen gases that may be irritating at the most, deadly at worst. Even if the chemicals were not deadly, to do something like that is - beyond pathetic.

You are taking the view that we are inquisitors cruelly and hypocritically condemning innocent victims. But if you cannot see that these girls are asking for trouble, and if you feel that punishing behavior that is clearly reprehensible is tantamount to genocide, then it is you who are in need of getting some air.

November 22, 2012 7:27 AM

At November 22, 2012 3:34 PM, Blogger papabear said...

"A bunch of women with fire extinguishers?"

Depending on the type of fire extinguisher, yes, they can pose a threat of serious harm or even death, if enough of the extinguishing material is inhaled.

At November 22, 2012 4:20 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

To all,

Again I must apologize for a typo. In my 7:44 a.m. comment I wrote "irritating at the most". It should read "irritating at the least".

And thanks to Papabear for his input.


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