Sunday, November 18, 2012

Thousands Demonstrate against Gay Marriage and Adoption

A nationwide demonstration against gay marriage and adoption took place Saturday in France. Another is scheduled for today (Sunday, November 18). Two separate demonstrations with somewhat different positions and points of view.

Saturday's rally, that brought out 70,000 people, according to police (200,000 according to the organizers), was called "La Manif pour tous" (The Rally for everyone), a parody of "Le Mariage pour tous" (Marriage for everyone), the popular name for the new bill drawn up by Minister of Justice Christiane Taubira that would legalize gay marriage and adoption.

The idea of the bill being that everybody has a right to marriage (and the idea of the rally being that everyone has a right to protest the bill). In essence, what it meant was that Saturday's rally was not limited to Catholics, but was open to anyone of any religion, as well as Communists, Socialists and gays themselves, who oppose the new bill.

The "Manif pour tous" was organized by a popular personality with the unlikely stage name of "Frigide Barjot". You can see why they call her a humorist.

Note: The new bill, if it becomes law, would apply only to civil, not religious, marriages. Many mayors have already indicated they will refuse to perform the marriage ceremony. Another reminder that in France you are not legally married unless and until you have gone before the mayor, or his associates.

The second demonstration, set for today, is sponsored by Civitas, a very traditionalist Catholic organization whose stated goal is to re-Christianize France.

Some Catholics attended Saturday's demonstration, others refused on grounds they did not want to march alongside imams and Bolsheviks, even if they agreed on this issue.

Catholic writer Thieulloy de Guillaume, writing at Les 4 Vérités, said that despite major reservations, he would attend both rallies:

"… who knows if this common struggle will not be an opportunity to bring about what we have ardently called for for many months: the union of the vital forces of French Catholicism? We seek first a victory in this political fight, to defend the family and the children, but God could very well grant us, in addition, full religious unity."

He makes it clear that he demonstrated on Saturday as a Catholic whose only adversary was the new bill, but that he feels much more comfortable with Sunday's Civitas rally.

Besides Paris, there were substantial turnouts in other cities: Toulouse (5,000), Nantes (4,500), Rennes (2,500), Lyon (between 22,000 and 29,000). A homosexual association called "Plus gay sans marriage" (More gay without marriage) and a Muslim group "Les Fils de France" (The Sons of France) also participated.

Source: Libération

Le Parisien reports that between 6,000 and 8,000 persons demonstrated in Marseille, proving that there are more than just drug dealers in the beleaguered city. However, counter-demonstrators unfurled a banner that read: 

"Your model of society is dead, welcome to Sodom and Gomorrha".  

(They may not be far wrong.)

Below, mostly from Le Salon Beige, a sampling of many photos. See Le Parisien for a slide show.

Below, with the megaphone, Frigide Barjot.

Below, an interesting comment on parity. The Left always demands an equal number of women and men in any enterprise. The banner in the back says:  

"Parity first in marriage." 

Very clever.

Below, a staged marriage, a salute to tradition.


"One daddy, one mommy, you don't lie to children."

Below in Lyon:
"France, you're losing your mind. You're nothing but sheep."

At top, a view of the place Bellecour in Lyon, with Notre-Dame de Fourvière and the metal Fourvière Tower both visible in the background.

Update: November 19 - The above indication has been corrected. I thought the photo showed the Eiffel Tower in Paris. It is instead the place Bellecour in Lyon. Many thanks to Yves Daoudal for his correction.

All in all, a good day for France. Would that they demonstrated like this against Islam!

Now it's on to Sunday's rally and then the Big One on January 13. 

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At November 18, 2012 9:24 AM, Anonymous fn said...

I think the resistance to this in the US has pretty much collapsed. The Cold War is long over, it's time to recognize that the US is essentially neo-Bolshevist and is the great revolutionary threat in the world today.

At November 18, 2012 12:56 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

Thanks for posting this. Yes, the turn-out looked great on the news who could not hide it. A smiling and happy Frigide Barjot got a nice sound-byte, holding up the Code Civil in her hand. Thanks also for posting the photo of the square in Lyon which brings back happy memories ; the Cathedral of La Fourvière is on the hill above, dedicated to Our Lady who no doubt was smiling.

At November 18, 2012 3:58 PM, Blogger lara77 said...

So the French are threatend by gay marriage yet intolerant breeding Muslims who believe women are below men and butcher live animals in the street are no threat?? Are you kidding me?? What a depraved low rent society the French are! Can you imagine being a gay person in France whose family is from the 11th or 12th century and yet YOUR RIGHTS are less than Muslims who are the greatest threat to your nation. Obviously "liberte egalite fraternite" are for some but not others. What a cesspool France has become.

At November 18, 2012 5:44 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

@ lara77

Gays have rights and legal protection in France, they can have civil unions and call it anything they want. But militant gays today are not happy with this, everyone one must accept their definition of "marriage" or pay fines to the politically-correct police. The question is whether the state can change the traditional definition of marriage which would change the civil code for everyone and remove even the idea of biological "mother" or "father" from French society.

Also, why can't a man be "married" to several wives, or "marry" his donkey? Why can't a woman be "married" to several husbands or "marry" her cat? Why get in the way of anyone's "happiness"? One answer is that the very idea of marriage does not come from the State; it pre-dates it by centuries, coming from Judeo-Christianity, based on natural law. In addition, most studies that have been done, show that children do best with a mother and a father in a loving home, and common sense should tell anyone this is the case. Children should come before any consideration, not it is "my right" to have a child as if they are some object. The only cesspools are the countries that do not fight against this as they will disappear as the Greek and Roman civilizations did. Islamization is also a threat, but if you follow this blog at all, you know that it is also being fought in France.

By the way, there is a protest scheduled in France to help free Tommy Robinson of the English Defence League. It seems the UK might have a slight problem with Islam as well.

At November 19, 2012 6:19 AM, Blogger gsw said...

@Dauphin: "it pre-dates it by centuries, coming from Judeo-Christianity"

Actually, it pre-dates Judeo-Christianity by a number of millennia! However, it has only been voluntary for the last few hundred years. And even now, it is only voluntary in parts of the world.
All we ask it that it is confined to consenting adults.
I think that coveres the donkey aspect, since animals are unable to consent.
You also say "Children should come before any consideration", many religious marriages are made with children, who are also unable to consent.
No one has a right to own children as objects, regardless of religion, and the consenting adults don't want to.
Why aren't you parading outside a mosque - against the islamic sharia which allows fathers to sell their 9 year old daughters to old men, to be raped in the name of religious marriage?

At November 19, 2012 7:49 AM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ gsw,

But I think dauphin IS saying that Islam is bad for children, and that marriage as it is being defended today by the Catholics derives from our Judeo-Christian culture, which has certainly undergone some reforms along the way.

I'm sure dauphin would march in front of a mosque as part of a legal demonstration, should it be called for. There is nothing in what he said that implies he is closing his eyes to what Islam does to children. The current events right now are about gay marriage and the new Taubira law. But a few weeks ago, the main event was the occupation of the Poitiers mosque by anti-Islamic militants.

The original question was from lara, who was angry that gay marriage was such a priority among Catholics, while Islam was not.

I too deplore this. But I'm still glad to see Catholics come out in force to defend the civilizing tradition of marriage and family.

Unfortunately, many Catholics feel kindly towards Islam, because of the Second Vatican Council, or because they think they can convert the Muslims. This is wishful thinking, in my view.

At November 19, 2012 12:39 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

@ gsw

I don't know of any Christian or Jewish or Buddhist marriage that permits marriage to children. The whole idea of marriage is not about "consenting adults", it's about a union of a man and a woman in order to produce children (if possible), and to create a stable home for children to be raised in, the basic unit of society, benefitting from both female and male qualities and examples that only a man and woman can give to a child. Of course there are heroic single parents who do a marvelous job, but even most of them would agree I think that it is not ideal.

At November 19, 2012 1:35 PM, Blogger lara77 said...

GSW said the right thing; why not protest outside mosques for their shameful treatment of women; selling children into marriage to dirty old men. THAT is an outrage! Certainly not gay men or women who make a commitment to each other. No wonder the French are on their Fifth Republic; they are at odds with each other no matter the century or the decade. I have never seen such a blatantly hypocritical society. Every building has liberte egalite fraternite plastered over the doors yet women only got the right to vote in 1946. There is such a disconnect between the myth of their revolution and the reality of society. Hypocrisy thy name is France.

At November 19, 2012 2:21 PM, Anonymous servo said...

Nice reasoning. 'If you are against gay marriage, you must not be against Islam.' Ever thought that maybe some people are against both?

At November 19, 2012 5:11 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

@ tiberge

My latest comment did not post?

Also, sorry I wasn't clear in my comment on the 18th regarding Lyon. I should have mentioned that next to the church is a little replica of the Eiffel Tower that is used as a broadcast tower.

At November 19, 2012 9:11 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ dauphin,

Are you sure you left it here? There was a comment I posted earlier today at the Civitas post (where you speak of the friends of your family.)

I'll check again, but I think I posted everything.

At November 19, 2012 9:28 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

@ tiberge

Yes, I left it here, and it showed that it would be posted pending approval, in the normal way.

The other comment at the Civitas post was a different one.

At November 19, 2012 11:08 PM, Blogger tiberge said...

@ dauphin, and everyone,

I am very sorry for missing a comment. I just posted it. It is from dauphin to gsw and it's dated November 19 at 12:39 p.m.

I'm glad he reminded us of how terrible it used to be for a woman to have children without a husband, or if she lost her husband. What was considered a tragedy for women, or a very difficult and unfair situation is now considered a norm and even desirable. The feminist movement persuaded women (and apparently it was easy to do) that they could do as they pleased, have babies out of wedlock, marry and divorce frivolously, and somebody else would pick up the bill. So a large part of our welfare state is devoted to single "moms", and we are supposed to praise them effusively as Ann Romney did at the Republican convention.

The original point of this discussion was whether or not it was worth the effort to demonstrate against the Taubira bill, when there are more pressing problems. Especially since I have heard that François Hollande does not care one way or the other about gay marriage.

I believe it is essential to defeat this bill, in order not to capitulate to a tiny minority of people with obvious emotional problems. Hollande knows that this bill would mean a major step away from traditional family life and an even larger step towards the equalizing of all behaviors, under the aegis of a Socialist State. It would encourage homosexual behavior, placing it on an equal footing with natural sexuality between a man and a woman. Most of all it would put children at risk - for emotional problems, identity crises, and sexual ambiguity. It would weaken the resolve of the people to fight other horrible things such as cloning or polygamy or freakish scientific experiments that aim to control our destiny. It would be a big kick in the teeth for Christiane Taubira and her boss, who are arrogantly trying to redefine humanity, love, marriage and even children's happiness and well-being.

At November 20, 2012 12:05 PM, Blogger lara77 said...

It is amazing but here in Massachusetts we have gay marriage and our state still survives!! Do you really think anyone would choose to be gay? Do you think anyone wants to be teased or bullied in school? Who in their right mind seeks abuse whether emotional or physical? As scientists have told us over and over again we do not choose to be gay or straight. We are wired at birth. I have family members and friends who knew they were different at birth; are they to be discriminated for being different? Who is the Catholic Church to set itself up as any arbiter of morality? As for the French; who venture into their churches at birth, weddings and deaths they are the last group to preach morality.The threat to France are not gays but an alien faith that denigrates women, gays, animals, etc. It is not the Islam of history but a twisted faith that the patriarchy uses to keep women under control; THAT is the threat to Europe.

At November 20, 2012 4:15 PM, Anonymous dauphin said...

@ lara77

Why must one equate acceptance of gays with acceptance of gay marriage? Why won't people of same-sex attraction not allow people to have freedom of conscience? In your neighbouring Vermont, there was an example (one of many) of what happens when "gay marriage" actually becomes law.

A lesbian couple arrived at an inn, wanting to celebrate their "marriage" there. The couple who ran the inn declined, citing their deeply held religious convictions.
So, the lesbians left and celebrated elsewhere. A short time later, they sued the innkeepers who were forced to pay them $30,000. But the "cherry on the cake" was that the innkeepers are now forbidden to host ANY marriages at all at their inn, so they must lose the potential future income as well. And oh yes - the lesbians were not even from Vermont! There are many other examples of people who lost their jobs, parents who no longer had any say over their children's education, etc.

As to France, it is the people who side with gay marriage (Hollande voters) who are the ones most likely to not care a whit about Islamization. It is the religious and traditionalist people who are in the majority of those fighting for the survival of the country.

At January 07, 2013 2:19 PM, Anonymous A McKay said...

Don't worry the US still has Crusaders who are not afraid to fight to defend what they believe.

Watch this great Video of our brave young americans who stand up for what is right.


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